Trouble eating on a ride.

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amaferanga

Veteran
Location
Bolton
A sausage roll and a packet of crisps is pretty crap cycling food. But then 4 rounds of cheese on toast an hour before a ride is a pretty shocking breakfast as well.

But I suspect you may just need some electrolytes during your ride based on how much you say you sweat. Get yourself a bag of electrolyte powder - better than just table salt which is only sodium
 

cyberknight

As long as I breathe, I attack.
A sausage roll and a packet of crisps is pretty crap cycling food. But then 4 rounds of cheese on toast an hour before a ride is a pretty shocking breakfast as well.

But I suspect you may just need some electrolytes during your ride based on how much you say you sweat. Get yourself a bag of electrolyte powder - better than just table salt which is only sodium

+1 on the diet, not exactly the best food for cycling on, you want to be looking at low GI foods pre ride like porridge and during the ride i carry a gel or 2 just in case and i went through a phase of liking the nutri grain bars , banannas or another staple.

This is a link someone on our CC posted about nutrition
http://www.optimumnutrition4sport.com/?page_id=110
 

smutchin

Cat 6 Racer
Location
The Red Enclave
There's a danger of over-thinking this - I don't think it really matters too much what you eat for a 64 mile ride of moderate intensity. How much you eat and when you eat it are perhaps more important.

Have a decent-sized breakfast and give yourself enough time to digest it before starting the ride. Porridge would be ideal (I find it an excellent pre-ride breakfast) but I don't think there's anything too badly wrong with cheese on toast.

And rather than try to eat on the go, why not stop en route at a cafe and have some proper food? Beans on toast, perhaps, washed down with a nice big mug of tea.

Carry a small bag of jelly babies for emergency bonk rations, or maybe a packet of raisins or an apple or banana as a healthier option, or even an energy gel if you want to give the process of nourishment a more scientific appearance.

d.
 
the best way to work out how much fluid you need to consume is to weigh yourself immediately before and after your ride. The difference is how much fluid you've lost (factoring in how much you've eaten and drunk during the ride, of course).

d.

As mentioned before, i did weigh myself just before and straight after. I lost 4 pounds on the ride without having a "comfort break"
during the ride, and only eating a couple of items.

Talking in metric thats about 2kgs, then if i figure in the 2kgs (2 litres) of fluid i drank on the ride = total fluid loss is 4kgs (4 litres).
Sounds a lot, but i actually continued drinking quite a bit that afternoon, and only had my first toilet visit later on that evening. xx(

I really will make an effort to eat foods mentioned, rather than cheap tesco sausage rolls and junk on toast!!
I'm aiming for a 100 miler this year and as i'm experiencing no pressure points or lasting fatigue after 40-60 mile rides, i think i'm
ready ... i just need to find the right source of fuel.
 

VamP

Banned
Location
Cambs
So if you have five pints of lager down the pub and don't go to the toilet, the amount of liquid flowing round your veins and arteries increases by five pints? Gosh.

Erm... no. Some of that liquid will be in your stomach, some will be in the intestinal tract, some will be in the bloodstream, some will have sweated out, some will have been used by your body at the cellular level and some will have made its way into the bladder. Moving away from your bizarre example, the point of my post was to correct the misconception that you could evaluate how much liquid your body was absorbing from your intestinal tract by observing a decrease in the amount that you urinate.
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
Echo what this lot says. A 64 miler for me would be oats/porridge, big mug of tea, maybe some toast and bananas for breakfast. On ride I'd take a 750ml bottle with some energy drink in - more on a summers day (and water), and maybe a couple of bananas or a flapjack.
 

smutchin

Cat 6 Racer
Location
The Red Enclave
Moving away from your bizarre example...

Sorry, I was being facetious. The underlying serious point is that the body will only absorb as much liquid as it needs, the excess will be disposed of; the only effect drinking "too much" can have (in normal circumstances*) is making you go to the toilet more often.

As you rightly say, not going to the toilet so often doesn't necessarily mean anything. But if you need the toilet less frequently and when you do go, your urine smells strong and is a dark colour, that would be an indication of dehydration.

I suspect in this case the problem is simply that the OP isn't used to the distance and needs to do a few more rides of this distance to get used to reading his body's signals and learning how best to fuel it. There's nothing wrong with sausage rolls - many's the time I've seen hungry audaxers scoffing sausage rolls, pasties, pork pies, and all manner of other "junk" on service station forecourts. If you can ride 600k on such fuel, it should be possible to ride 65 miles on the same.

d.

*There are, of course, circumstances where drinking too much can lead to water intoxication, but that's extremely unlikely here.
 

VamP

Banned
Location
Cambs
Sorry, I was being facetious. The underlying serious point is that the body will only absorb as much liquid as it needs, the excess will be disposed of; the only effect drinking "too much" can have (in normal circumstances*) is making you go to the toilet more often.

As you rightly say, not going to the toilet so often doesn't necessarily mean anything. But if you need the toilet less frequently and when you do go, your urine smells strong and is a dark colour, that would be an indication of dehydration.

I suspect in this case the problem is simply that the OP isn't used to the distance and needs to do a few more rides of this distance to get used to reading his body's signals and learning how best to fuel it. There's nothing wrong with sausage rolls - many's the time I've seen hungry audaxers scoffing sausage rolls, pasties, pork pies, and all manner of other "junk" on service station forecourts. If you can ride 600k on such fuel, it should be possible to ride 65 miles on the same.

d.

*There are, of course, circumstances where drinking too much can lead to water intoxication, but that's extremely unlikely here.


You are still missing the point though. Any liquid not absorbed by the body stays in the digestive tract and is excreted with faeces. All liquid that comes out through the urinary tract has by definition been absorbed by the body, as the only way it could have reached the bladder is via the bloodstream and then the kidneys.

Basic biology.
 

smutchin

Cat 6 Racer
Location
The Red Enclave
Yes, you're right. I'm not thinking it through properly. Sorry!

d.
 

PpPete

Legendary Member
Location
Chandler's Ford
SIS Go powder for me, expensive, but fuel and electrolytes in one. Prefer the taste slightly more diluted than recommended.
And Jelly Babies if I start to get a bit weary.
TorQ Banoffee Gel with caffeine is a magic recovery potion if bonk coming on.
 
Just bought a tube of high5 zero extreme (the one with caffeine in).

I'll prepare a litre of fluid prior to the next 60+ miler and see if that isotonic mix "gets the water in quicker".
As for food ... flapjacks and jelly babies will be carried.

I've just ridden a 32 miler this evening at 1c temperature and didn't need any water, whereas in the summer i've done the same
32 miler at 25c ... and guzzled like crazy.
 

amaferanga

Veteran
Location
Bolton
SIS Go powder for me, expensive, but fuel and electrolytes in one. Prefer the taste slightly more diluted than recommended.

Isn't it just maltodextrin, fructose and electrolytes? If so you could buy these and make your own for a fraction of the price and then use whatever cordial you want to flavour it.
 

PpPete

Legendary Member
Location
Chandler's Ford
Isn't it just maltodextrin, fructose and electrolytes? If so you could buy these and make your own for a fraction of the price and then use whatever cordial you want to flavour it.
500g bottle lasts me a couple of months because I only use this on long rides (over 50km), so never seems worth the hassle of experimenting to find the best recipe, mixing it up, etc.

Just bought a tube of high5 zero extreme (the one with caffeine in)..
Tried that once, suggest you do the same before taking it on a ride. [Searches for "puking" emoticon]. The non-caffeinated one is OK though.
 
My 2p for the OP.
Weigh yourself before you go out and again when you come back, the loss is mostly fluid and will give you an estimate of water loss and taking into account what you drank on the bike ( 1 Litre = 1kg) you can figure out your needs.

You should be able to do the first hour or so without anything to eat or drink, it's not a race. Then you need to consider what you need as others have pointed out. I'd start off with plain water and see how that goes. You are going to need some carbs to keep you going in some form or other and as gels are of little nutritional value I'd go for something very simple like jam and bread, banans etc.
Gels or drinks enter the body at roughly the same rate and take around 7mins from your mouth to your bloodstream but can create peaks and your body pumps out insulin to try and undo what you are doing if you use big doses.
You are looking to top up your system not replace all the energy expended because your body should supply some energy from your fat store. Most atheletes have around 75,000kCal of fat lying about and only about 3,000 kCal of glycogen stores. You want to allow your body to eat in to that fat store, not for weight loss but to improve your bodies efficieny and reduce insulin peaks/troughs. You are better off running a little low on the carbs to encourage use of the fat store.

Your bodies ability to rehydrate itself is age dependent. Your kidneys are 50% as efficient at 60 compared to a 20 year old so getting rid of fluid is harder as you get older and your body holds on to liquids longer.

Athletes do get short of salt too. One simple trick test whether you are deficient is to have a bag of salt and vinegar crisps when you feel you are loosing energy, having only consumed wated prior to this will give you some indication of their effect.

I'd suspect but cannot show that the salt deposits are probably from the salt laden cheese which is also what is giving you a thirst. If you are going to eat cheese on toast the unprocessed cheese and whole meal bred has a much slower burn rate than the processed kind. Its close to 50% difference. But as the other posters have said, porridge or my pref. muesli works better. (paper can be found here http://sweatscience.com/digesting-a...ns-twice-as-many-calories-as-a-processed-one/)

One other section on this site shows that carb intake improves performance. ( http://sweatscience.com/higher-carb-intake-faster-ironman-finish/) which is great, but bear in mind that this is a race not a training session for which you should train carb depleted not carb loaded. This causes some confusion. For how this works search this forum for interleukin.

HTH
 
Many thanks for the detailed reply! As mentioned in a previous post in this thread, i had weighed myself before and after the ride.

I lost 2kg's ... even though i'd drunk 2kg's on the ride.
So i suppose total weight loss was 4kg.

I didn't have any toilet stops, nor did i eat much in the way of food, also i had several drinks at home until "normal toilet functions" returned.

Maybe it just me? I really do fill my cycle helmet with perspiration whenever the temperature is above 15c. :rain:
 
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