Tour de France 2023 ** SPOILERS **
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Adam4868
Guru
There's quite a few different ways they classify them...I'm not sure there's any set way though.😁
https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rouleur-journal/how-are-the-tour-de-france-climbs-classified
https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rouleur-journal/how-are-the-tour-de-france-climbs-classified
Maybe time for the UCI to set definitions globally of climb rankings and maybe with a wider list of categorisation. A couple of local climbs are apparently Cat 3according to Strava but are vastly different. One is a combination couple of stiff climbs, gentler ones, and a downgrade. The other is more a constant slog.
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
Yeah I always thought it was kind of relative, so a medium hump on a flat stage may be cat 3, but the same hump on a stage that finishes up a mountain wouldn't be categorised.
The formula in @Adam4868 's rouleur article - length × gradient squared - is interesting. Where's my spreadsheet?
T4tomo
Legendary Member
To be fair, eyebrows would have been raised a coupe of years ago for suggesting Vingegaard would be a TdeF winner.
nickyboy
Norven Mankey
- Location
- You want hills? We got hills
The bookies and pundits always seem to underestimate how often the top favourites crash, get ill, whatever. At least compared to other sports
Vingegaard and Pogacar have to stay upright to be 1 and 2 (in whatever order). But cyclists have a habit of not staying upright. Hence there is often value to be found. For example, Skjelmose is 8-1 to finish on the podium because the bookies are assuming positions 1 and 2 (so he is a competition for the one podium place left) are filled but history shows that's not the case
It would be possible to bet on a podium finish for Skjelmose, Yates, Mas and O'Connor and you only need one to make it to be in the money
Vingegaard and Pogacar have to stay upright to be 1 and 2 (in whatever order). But cyclists have a habit of not staying upright. Hence there is often value to be found. For example, Skjelmose is 8-1 to finish on the podium because the bookies are assuming positions 1 and 2 (so he is a competition for the one podium place left) are filled but history shows that's not the case
It would be possible to bet on a podium finish for Skjelmose, Yates, Mas and O'Connor and you only need one to make it to be in the money
Jameshow
Veteran
I never forget MVDP
Your Jess Ennis!
My kids brought me a mug with her on it!
As l supported her a little too vocally during the Olympics!🤣😍🤣😍
T4tomo
Legendary Member
double your odds with Yates too! (or maybe two!)
*Particularly valid point now with Covid withdrawals being quite popular, or certainly were at the Giro
cougie uk
Guru
The classification on the Tour can give the same climb different ratings each year depending on what else is in the stage and where it comes in the route. It's much harder racing a climb than just parading over it.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Formula? I thought the cat was what gear Henri Degrange's car got down to when he reccied the route!
Hope events in France are not going to cause an issue https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-66049895
although the odds on the peleton being halted by some nutters have probably shortened somewhat.
although the odds on the peleton being halted by some nutters have probably shortened somewhat.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
The Tour doesn't reach any of the biggest cities until Friday 7 July and that's Bordeaux which wasn't the first to kick off, although RAID have now been deployed there too, according to Sud Ouest. Because of this year's Basque start and single SW-to-E sweep, the race avoids the bigger flashpoints of Marseille, Lyon, Toulouse and Lille... just have to hope things are cooled before the final day in Paris!
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Cav humble yet bullish in https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/jun/29/mark-cavendish-tour-de-france-cycling
