Tour de France 2016 **SPOILERS**

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brommers

Years beyond my wisdom
Location
Clacton-on-Sea
I remember watching that live
 

brommers

Years beyond my wisdom
Location
Clacton-on-Sea
Does anyone think that there was a concerted (and planned) effort by the spectators to deliberately try to stop Froome when they saw the yellow jersey - remember last year with the urine etc.
 

brommers

Years beyond my wisdom
Location
Clacton-on-Sea
Was Aru penalised for his antics - taking bottles and immediately throwing them away? Is slipstreaming your team car allowed? You would have thought that with all the money around they could invent gloves that don't stick to a plastic bottle.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Was Aru penalised for his antics - taking bottles and immediately throwing them away? Is slipstreaming your team car allowed? You would have thought that with all the money around they could invent gloves that don't stick to a plastic bottle.
:laugh: It'll probably be CHF200 fine for their team but there seems to be some delay publishing the jury decisions today ;)
 
Could drones be the answer tv coverage wise? Ought to be possible given the tracking on the bikes to control a drone so that it is not more than set distance away with a minimum height above ground as well. As for the issue of encroachment surely it needs better "policing" and barriers at locations where it obvious crowds are going to form.
Interesting article in bicycling mag (us publication) they were using a drone for some action shots for thr mag climbing the Alpe. One of the rotors failed plummetting the drone to a death lost down the mountain. Can just imagine that happening and it causing serious damage. More cameras on the bikes themselves could be the answer.
 
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Flying_Monkey

Recyclist
Location
Odawa
They will probably use drones eventually as they last longer between charges, get more powerful at smaller sizes, and get easier to operate and control more precisely.
 

HF2300

Insanity Prawn Boy
The moto into which Porte crashed was itself held up by two or three other motorbikes in front of it. WTF do they need so many of them on the race for?

...and the motos in front of it appeared to be blocked by the crowds, so the outcome might have been the same had there only been one; and as far as I know we don't know if there were cars stopped in front of the motos?

I don't think the root cause was motos here, but I do wonder about moto behaviour; the one behind Froome was clearly riding too close as it wasn't able to stop in time, and I wonder whether the one in front of Porte had to stop so hard because they were too close to each other - each having to brake progressively harder until the last really had to stand on the brakes.

One thing that did happen, because we saw it, is that after the accident the road was partly blocked by motos either because they weren't able to get out of the way or because they were all anxious to see / get the best shot of the crash.

Truth is it's a complex situation with no simple answer, but the number of motos might not be relevant had the crowd control been adequate and the available road been wide enough. Given the need to get cars as well as motos up the stage and enable attacks, it seems to me the organisers should be able to guarantee a road width of, say, 6' 6" by barriers or other means. I guess they've shied away from it in the past, as @Crackle suggests, because of the difficulty of erecting extensive sections of barrier in the limited time available (rather than just pure cost).

There is, in the UCI regs and in the regs issued for individual races, quite an extensive section about the control of the official convoy, behaviour of press and other vehicles etc., with diagrams of the convoy layout and so on, which might clarify questions about the number and use of motos. Unfortunately I don't think ASO are as good about making this information as easy to find as other organisers are, but a google might turn it up.

Good point that wasn't mentioned on tv.

Increased crowds mentioned several times upthread, and also discussed by Imlach and Boardman, in the live ITV4 programme at least. The big difference between this stage and 'normal' mountain stages to me seemed that while the big mountain stages are always (stupidly) crowded, in the section where the crash happened the crowds were so thick that those out in the middle of the road weren't able to retreat back out of the way, and the idiots running were actually running among the bikes and motos rather than alongside - and alongside is risky enough.

Does anyone think that there was a concerted (and planned) effort by the spectators to deliberately try to stop Froome when they saw the yellow jersey - remember last year with the urine etc.

No. In that chaotic crowd? Good luck trying to organise that lot to do something concerted. Not even sure that where the motos stopped, the crowd in the road could have seen it was Froome approaching.

Could drones be the answer tv coverage wise?

Seems to me there are too many negatives to drones at the moment; reliability, battery life, risk of danger to the public, aviation regulations, limits of control (line of sight, distance, keeping the operator close enough to the drone given the crowds, obstructions to radio transmissions, windy conditions and unusual air currents / eddies round mountains, etc.) and so on. Given the speed with which drones are being adopted for other work I'm sure it'll come, but I'm not sure it'll come quickly and in any case, drones wouldn't replace much of the official convoy and wouldn't have resolved the crowd control issue that was the issue here and seems to be a fundamental problem on the big mountain stages.
 
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suzeworld

Veteran
Location
helsby
It is mainly about crowd control, they really didn't have the barriers far enough down the road. But Boardman was pretty agitated initially and defo seemed to be laying some blame on number of motos too ... in terms of them being involved in incidents with riders,

I woke up thinking about Porte, Molema and Froome this morning - all so lucky not to have suffered career-stopping injuries - which is why Boardman was so cross - he knows the risk of serious injury is massive and seeing the actual footage of Porte's chin hitting that moto and the other moto only inches from Froome's legs was very chilling. And today they have to continue with their war-wounds maybe impacting on their riding.

btw - dont tar all the fans with the same brush ..yes we can see the mankini-muppets and other show-offs-drunks, but many there are genuine fans. Everyone, on any mountian stage, has had to make some personal effort to get there in advance of the road closure, most cycling and indeed walking for miles up the route. they include folk like the ones on the ITV4 show who plan their parking spot 5 days before the event - these ppl are enthusiasts for the event and certainly not there to knock riders off .. but the volume of people creates a flow / danger of its own .. . which better barriers would help to control.
 
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400bhp

Guru
I think it's a relatively simple case of not enough time to plan through the logistics of a route change. Therefore the barriers weren't down the road far enough.

That in itself (planning for a route change) therefore needs to be considered in future tours.

I did worry that something would happen on a shortened course.

I watched a mountain finish stage on the vuelta in 2013 (ASO event) and the barriers were all the way up the climb. It was low mountains and IIRC the climb was about 8 k.
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
Article saying Froome was abusing the YJ by slowing the peloton so that his team mates could catch up, and that that Movistar missed a tactical trick by failing to press their advantage at this point.

Froome’s abuse of yellow was Movistar’s missed opportunity

I have no opinion on this either way. When I saw on the TdF ticker that the peloton had slowed to let the Sky domestiques catch up I did think it odd, but there are so many unwritten rules that I don't pretend (or try) to understand.

I find a lot of things in life a bit odd, and most of them are normal.
 

400bhp

Guru
Article saying Froome was abusing the YJ by slowing the peloton so that his team mates could catch up, and that that Movistar missed a tactical trick by failing to press their advantage at this point.

Froome’s abuse of yellow was Movistar’s missed opportunity

I have no opinion on this either way. When I saw on the TdF ticker that the peloton had slowed to let the Sky domestiques catch up I did think it odd, but there are so many unwritten rules that I don't pretend (or try) to understand.

I find a lot of things in life a bit odd, and most of them are normal.

I was watching it. Gerrans and three sky riders hit the deck. Sky had been riding on the front for a while. Practically they waited for froome but that's bike racing. You don't want enemies in the peleton
 
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