Tour de France 2015 - may contain nuts and SPOILERS

[Incontinentia Buttocks]

This post is priceless: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=1765172#p1765172

To save you the bother of reading it, the gist is: British cycling is the new East Germany.

Yea Gods, it's proper hat stand in there, mad doesn't quite cover it. I read that Tuckers piece as well, as far as I can tell he liked Froome in 2013 and thought there was nothing wrong with him, but because he did well yesterday he's utterly changed his mind and now he must be doping. All this based on guess outputs and performance. I'm no scientist but I do know evidence when I see it, and I think what we'd call Tucker's evidence is bollocks. To me it seems like he wants there to be doping scandals as it gives him a platform to continue being important. And as an aside wasn't it journalist not sports scientist that started doing the uncovering about Lance et al ? Are any journalist (real ones not internet ones) saying anything now?
I like to believe that Froome is clean, because as a previous poster said, if I don't what's the point in watching?

 

[Dogtrousers]

Some big speeds on the Tourmalet descent.

Cav recorded 101.91 km/h. https://twitter.com/MarkCavendish/status/621373948832403456
Kwiat 102.2

 

[jarlrmai]

Must be gravity doping.

 

[smutchin]

To me it seems like he wants there to be doping scandals as it gives him a platform to continue being important.

I was thinking along the same lines.

 

[psmiffy]

I was thinking along the same lines.

yup - I read back through a few articles - it was more about how experienced he is and how good he is as a sports scientist - very little positive thought about dealing with the problem of doping

 

[Dogtrousers]

I must be alone in finding Tucker a reasoned and interesting writer. I have done so for a long time. I just try to keep an open mind - failure to do that is the first step on the road to the Clinic.

I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if any given cyclist were proved to be doping. Nor if they were clean.

 

[Berk on a Bike]

Some big speeds on the Tourmalet descent.

Cav recorded 101.91 km/h. https://twitter.com/MarkCavendish/status/621373948832403456
Kwiat 102.2

And Mark Renshaw can't help trumping them with 107kph https://twitter.com/Mark_Renshaw/status/621365456377675776

 

[smutchin]

I must be alone in finding Tucker a reasoned and interesting writer. I have done so for a long time.

He has written some really good stuff in the past but it's too much about himself now, like he is part of the story.

 

[Dogtrousers]

He has written some really good stuff in the past but it's too much about himself now, like he is part of the story.

I think you may be right there. I think that's a symptom of the twitter era. On Twitter if you disagree with what he says, you just insult him personally, or dismiss his work as guesswork, or whatever rather than engaging in the argument, and he's ended up retaliating by bigging himself up. All the same I think he's interesting.

Anyway there's a radio interview with him here. I'd advise people very set in their beliefs not to listen
https://soundcloud.com/offtheball/ross-tucker-on-chris-fromme

 

[smutchin]

the same was said about kimmage....

Yes, and it was true.

Same goes for Walsh to some extent.

 

[Strathlubnaig]

Great fight back by Martin, but took it's toll so couldn't catch Majka on the final push, good effort though.

 

[suzeworld]

I have to strongly disagree, theres nothing wrong in a bit of cynicism or even a lot of cynicism, and I'm of the opinion that unless proof is given then they are clean, I don't care about kg/watts, power metres etc, I enjoy the racing..in fact history teaches us that in sport, doping has been and still is a major problem..this year we've had 7 or 8 pro cyclist banned for doping...
but none of this means we can't enjoy the sport of cycling, the same way I can still enjoy old races or documentaries knowing most were doping gobshites..
and if it turns out Sky riders ( I think not) or whomever are doping, then I'll be disappointed but I move on hoping the next bunch are clean and so on and so forth but I'll still watch cycling and still enjoy the racing...

erm -- actually what you are saying is not strongly in disagreement with me!

 

[raindog]

Listening to FranceInfo this morning, all the talk is about Froome and drugs and the fact that he was whistled and booed yesterday and that Armstrong has hinted that Sky might be doping.

 

[Keith Oates]

How do think Froome feels at the moment, he's leading the worlds biggest road race and all the talk is about unsubstantiated talk that he's doping and very little comment on how good he may be or is performing. It also seems to me that a lot of people on this forum are also more interested and in fact that they are hoping that he is eventually proven to be a doper. For me it is totally spoiling the enjoyment of following the TdF and the usual comments that used to be what each rider or team are doing to get the title is being completely ignored. He is not Lance Armstrong, he doesn't try to bully other riders and does not bad mouth other riders.

 

[Louch]

The inventions of social media and forums such as this has let to a very negative view on most things in life sadly @Keith Oates . Best to step away from them if it's bothering you, it helps trust me