This tiny submarine 2.4 miles under the sea, visiting the relics of RMS Titanic. Can it be found and the crew saved before the air runs out?

[glasgowcyclist]

There is a significant difference in that it was a criminal prosecution for assault, even though the "victims" were seemingly willing and had made no complaint.

I didn’t cite the case. I was recalling the substance of it, not suggesting it could be applicable here.

Nevertheless as someone has already alluded to, in the UK, you simply can't sign away your rights to damages under tort law,

Yes, that was me and some others. 🙂

 

[Profpointy]

I didn’t cite the case. I was recalling the substance of it, not suggesting it could be applicable here.




Yes, that was me and some others. 🙂

Wasn't trying to contradict, but adding a nuance

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

What a thread, it's gone from people dying at great depth, to the performance characteristics of Carbon Fibre... To people having their balls nailed to some wood, via a few other avenues 😆

 

[Bonefish Blues]

You can sign away your rights in any jurisdiction.

The question is whether that contractual relationship is able to be relied upon by a Defendant when the proverbial hits the large rotating spinny thing and a Plaintiff attempts to bring an action at common law. (to use UK terminology)

As we're nuance-tastic today

 

[Reynard]

Here's a purely technical question for @Reynard that's been puzzling me.......

.....as I understand it, "pre-preg" carbon fibre mat comes with epoxy resin etc already coating the fibres. How is the hardener/catalyst introduced so that the curing process can start? Is it already coated to the mat and only activated by elevated temperatures, or is some other process involved.

Thank you.

The pre-preg (so that's weave, uni-directional and mat) is supplied dry IIRC. Think sheets or rolls of paper - which is, in fact also a kind of composite, except using cellulose fibres. You need to use resin to "glue" them together in order to achieve the desired layup. Any hardeners will be in there. This is where a lay-up technician's skill shows, because it's here where any defects (wrinkles / air bubbles) have the potential to be introduced. It's careful and exacting work.

Components are then vac-bagged to help remove the air and consolidate the layers before being "cooked" in an autoclave.

Remember from my PhD days that I was supplied with a "kit" of materials to test by McLaren, but I had to send them back because neither the Mech Eng nor Materials departments had the facilities to assemble and cure the test pieces.

 

[Jameshow]

A wavier limits the companies liability to injury without negligence...

For instance a fell race might have a wavier but that doesn't mean they don't do full kit checks, account for retirees and finishers, have Marshall's at various points ,supply decent route guidance etc.

Or a climbing wall will have you sign your life away (waiver) doesn't mean they don't have checked ropes, harnesses, hand holds and crash mats

 

[FishFright]

What a thread, it's gone from people dying at great depth, to the performance characteristics of Carbon Fibre... To people having their balls nailed to some wood, via a few other avenues 😆

Which I find very healthy because it mimics well how chats at a social event run. The balls and nails less so !

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

Which I find very healthy because it mimics well how chats at a social event run. The balls and nails less so !

Indeed, it's an interesting thread regardless of the last topic mentioned.

 

[Reynard]

There is a significant difference in that it was a criminal prosecution for assault, even though the "victims" were seemingly willing and had made no complaint. A criminal offence is effectively seen as a crime against the state, rather than against the victim and hence is prosecuted as Regina vs whoever.

Rex, these days, do keep up

Nevertheless as someone has already alluded to, in the UK, you simply can't sign away your rights to damages under tort law, so waivers are less applicable than they possible are in the US. A waiver may still have some relevence that you've acknowledged that you are engaging in a risky activity but there is likely still a "duty of care" for some aspects even if there's not a blanked guarantee of safety

As a motor racing photographer, the paperwork I had to process prior to getting a media pass basically boiled down to "You are there at your own risk, and if you get splatted by an escaped racing car, then that's your fault for being there."

I was taught the ropes by a couple of fabulous Jeffs (Jeff Carter, the Rockingham press officer, and Jeff Bloxham, the well-known Autosport staffer), and the bottom line was, wherever you were shooting from, ALWAYS have an escape route.

Had to drop my gear and run a few times.

 

[Mike_P]

Aside from the carbon fibre and the porthole wonder if the epoxy resin used was rated for such depths. Glues come with all sorts of wanings over temperature and water etc but surely there must be an issue on a glued joint from excessive pressure differences.

 

[Profpointy]

You can sign away your rights in any jurisdiction.

The question is whether that contractual relationship is able to be relied upon by a Defendant when the proverbial hits the large rotating spinny thing and a Plaintiff attempts to bring an action at common law. (to use UK terminology)

As we're nuance-tastic today

You cannot sign away your rights to claim under tort, not in the UK (for personal injury at least, can't remember about propertyn damage). Such a term is invalid in in contract.

 

[Jameshow]

Aside from the carbon fibre and the porthole wonder if the epoxy resin used rated for such depths. Glues come with all sorts of wanings over temperature and water etc but surely there must be an issue on a glued joint from excessive pressure differences.

Probably from home bargains .. by the basket load!🤣🤣🤣

 

[Bonefish Blues]

You cannot sign away your rights to claim under tort, not in the UK (for personal injury at least, can't remember about propertyn damage). Such a term is invalid in in contract.

My statement refers

 

[Time Waster]

I had a summer job at 16 working for British Aerospace Military Aircraft Ltd. When being shown around we walked past a carbon fibre delta wing laid on its back edge. Apparently it had been rejected due to a very small defect identified during NDT final checks. I did get told how much it cost and it would have paid a few people's wages for a year at the time. It was for either eurofighter or more likely a prototype. Iirc it had the acronym EOP but it was a long time ago now. There were other parts there rejected too. It was outside the door of the carbon fibre production area. To get in there you had full suits on and breathing kit.

It doesn't take much for such things to be rejected apparently.

 

[Time Waster]

We had some glass pre-preg at work and it felt like it had something on it. It could kind of be bent into a shape and it would almost hold it, only relaxing out of shape slowly.