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[Bonefish Blues]

I done have a technical question based on what I done saw what is grounding but not a try...

Once the ref has referred it upstairs and briefed the TMO is it the case that the TMO makes the decision and the ref, even if he sees from the replay that he should have made a different decision, is unable to reverse his initial on-field decision?

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

The TMO clearly said "there is the ball on the ground".

 

[Bonefish Blues]

The TMO clearly said "there is the ball on the ground".

Not the same as grounding the ball though.

Anyone help with my q above?

 

[Dogtrousers]

I done have a technical question based on what I done saw what is grounding but not a try...

Once the ref has referred it upstairs and briefed the TMO is it the case that the TMO makes the decision and the ref, even if he sees from the replay that he should have made a different decision, is unable to reverse his initial on-field decision?

A lot depends on the ref's on-field decision. If the ref had called it a try and referred it with "is there any reason why I should not award the try" then the try would have stood. But in this case the ref called it as held up. So there needed to be clear view of grounding to overturn that. It need to be definite: "it was very probably grounded but the actual grounding was out of sight" isn't good enough.

Tough, because it probably was grounded. But them's the breaks. I think the officials followed all the right protocols.

 

[Beebo]

I done have a technical question based on what I done saw what is grounding but not a try...

Once the ref has referred it upstairs and briefed the TMO is it the case that the TMO makes the decision and the ref, even if he sees from the replay that he should have made a different decision, is unable to reverse his initial on-field decision?

The ref can’t change their initial decision.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

The ref can’t change their initial decision.

So yes, it's in the hands of the TMO, even if the ref sees evidence that his initial decision and hence question posed to the TMO was incorrect - as I rather think was the case here.

 

[Beebo]

So yes, it's in the hands of the TMO, even if the ref sees evidence that his initial decision and hence question posed to the TMO was incorrect - as I rather think was the case here.

It wasn’t incorrect. It was what he saw.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

It wasn’t incorrect. It was what he saw.

I understand what you say.

You also understand the point I make.

 

[Dogtrousers]

I guess because the referee is the "sole judge of fact and law" then by definition they can't be incorrect. A bit like the Pope.

Anyway. I'm not terribly excited by the first half of the England Wales match.

 

[Beebo]

I guess because the referee is the "sole judge of fact and law" then by definition they can't be incorrect. A bit like the Pope.

Anyway. I'm not terribly excited by the first half of the England Wales match.

English defence is too fragile

 

[Bonefish Blues]

English defence is too fragile

That's definitely in the Laws of Rugby

 

[Dogtrousers]

England mean business. Here comes Grant from Eastenders

 

[Chromatic]

A full back that can run without falling over would help England.

 

[Slick]

The TMO clearly said "there is the ball on the ground".

Definitely a harsh decision as everyone thought it was a try. That said, we shot ourselves in the foot a bit but to be fair to the French, their defence was pretty solid.

 

[Beebo]

The welsh front row are in trouble