The plane enthusiasts thread

[DRM]

Don't be daft.

Ok T60 & T72 tanks for starters, in the mid to late eighties they were only fit to palm off on the East Germans, now they’ve got them back for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to scrap once and for all on Putins behalf

 

[FishFright]

Ok T60 & T72 tanks for starters, in the mid to late eighties they were only fit to palm off on the East Germans, now they’ve got them back for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to scrap once and for all on Putins behalf

What next ? The Russians don't like it up em and would run away when faced with a chap driving a Land Rover ?

 

[gbb]

There's the Tupolev Tu-95(Bear), over 60 years before it saw combat service. And it's still flying.

Not sure if the Tu95 is still the currently active bomber In Russia but, In a similar way to the B52, they might be venerable, long living, still active and effective aircraft , but if the doodoo really did hit the fan and an all out conventional war started between the two how long would either of these aircraft stay in the air before they were obliberated . Not long i suspect , once seen by an interceptor, they've had it surely ?
Bombing Afghanistan or similar is one thing, coming into contact with modern sophisticated fighters...game over pdq ?

 

[DRM]

What next ? The Russians don't like it up em and would run away when faced with a chap driving a Land Rover ?

I think they would, you’ve only got to look at how pathetic a performance they’re putting in right now, we (NATO) haven’t given Ukraine the best gear and the Russian Army is proving itself to be a joke, if Britain on it’s own joined in it would be a decisive rout of a bunch of conscripts who have no fight and don’t want to be there against an experienced well equipped modern army, with battle experience, but again you seem hell bent on getting this thread locked, I’m out

 

[DRM]

Not sure if the Tu95 is still the currently active bomber In Russia but, In a similar way to the B52, they might be venerable, long living, still active and effective aircraft , but if the doodoo really did hit the fan and an all out conventional war started between the two how long would either of these aircraft stay in the air before they were obliberated . Not long i suspect , once seen by an interceptor, they've had it surely ?
Bombing Afghanistan or similar is one thing, coming into contact with modern sophisticated fighters...game over pdq ?

I reckon the first action in that scenario would be destroying Russian aircraft, no aircraft for them, they really are out, followed up by sinking the Black Sea fleet, I think if there were any rumblings of us getting involved then Special Forces would be in there on the ground before any conventional military personnel landed, watching and noting sites that would be destroyed from the start

 

[Jameshow]

Not sure if the Tu95 is still the currently active bomber In Russia but, In a similar way to the B52, they might be venerable, long living, still active and effective aircraft , but if the doodoo really did hit the fan and an all out conventional war started between the two how long would either of these aircraft stay in the air before they were obliberated . Not long i suspect , once seen by an interceptor, they've had it surely ?
Bombing Afghanistan or similar is one thing, coming into contact with modern sophisticated fighters...game over pdq ?

I think that a forward force of strike aircraft would take out anti aircraft radar and missiles whilst fighters would take out any aircraft that get airborne.

 

[wiggydiggy]

I understand it's hard to discuss hypothetically how the older planes in service around the world might fare in a modern conflict without straying into the other place, but I do like reading about older exercises and events that now declassified we can learn about.

https://vulcantothesky.org/articles/operation-sky-shield/

5 of 8 Vulcans penetrated US airspace in an exercise that very much demonstrated the superiority of the Vulcan at that time.

 

[Jameshow]

I understand it's hard to discuss hypothetically how the older planes in service around the world might fare in a modern conflict without straying into the other place, but I do like reading about older exercises and events that now declassified we can learn about.

https://vulcantothesky.org/articles/operation-sky-shield/

5 of 8 Vulcans penetrated US airspace in an exercise that very much demonstrated the superiority of the Vulcan at that time.

A ground air missile would take them out these days??

 

[wiggydiggy]

A ground air missile would take them out these days??

Id say so as the tech has got so much better, and they did originally switch from high level to low level because of advances in missile tech.

 

[DRM]

I understand it's hard to discuss hypothetically how the older planes in service around the world might fare in a modern conflict without straying into the other place, but I do like reading about older exercises and events that now declassified we can learn about.

https://vulcantothesky.org/articles/operation-sky-shield/

5 of 8 Vulcans penetrated US airspace in an exercise that very much demonstrated the superiority of the Vulcan at that time.

View: https://youtu.be/-Wx6npt421c

Prof Mark Felton did an excellent video about this

View: https://youtu.be/ng_X2dHJpZ4

and another Vulcan video

 

[gbb]

A ground air missile would take them out these days??

Possibly but then, the tactic was a wall of radar jamming that hid their presence. Whether that tactic, or other one is still possible, I'm sure would be a carefully kept secret.

As an example of the tactics used or tried,not sure if this relates to the above but dads twin brother was a crew chief on Vulcans. He explained to dad once how they flew so low, it truly scared him. Iirc, they used to fly out to Goose Bay (Newfoundland ?) en route to the States

Both their names are on plaques on the wings of the XH558, hopefully side by side. One day....I will get to see it. Its going to be emotional to know that dad will have laid hands on and worked on it through its service life.

 

[wiggydiggy]

View: https://youtu.be/-Wx6npt421c

Prof Mark Felton did an excellent video about this

View: https://youtu.be/ng_X2dHJpZ4

and another Vulcan video

He does some great videos, ive seen both of those. Another good one is English Electric Lightning vs U2 and Concorde.


View: https://youtu.be/8DdUwIhI-ZA

 

[DRM]

He does some great videos, ive seen both of those. Another good one is English Electric Lightning vs U2 and Concorde.


View: https://youtu.be/8DdUwIhI-ZA

He really does produce videos that deserve to be on the history channel on TV, I’ve never seen a bad one!

 

[Badger_Boom]

Friday 18th

Pontefract Airfield Memorial
Pontefract Park/Racecourse

Adjacent to jct32/M62
The 'wedge' in the background is 'Xscape'

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https://www.abct.org.uk/airfields/airfield-finder/pontefract/

If you look at the map, below the photograph, there's a (dotted lines) track running into the centre of the racecourse, the memorial is approximately there; https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5259651

I grew up in Pontefract and that's the first I've ever heard about the park being a WWI airfield.

Mind you, I also drove up and down the A64 between York and Leeds for years all the while wondering why the barns north of the road between the A1 and the Tadcaster junction looked like a hangar...

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

I grew up in Pontefract and that's the first I've ever heard about the park being a WWI airfield.

Mind you, I also drove up and down the A64 between York and Leeds for years all the while wondering why the barns north of the road between the A1 and the Tadcaster junction looked like a hangar...

I don't think the memorial stone has been there more than about 5 years?


Yes, Headley Bar
it's one of only two WW1 hangers left in the country

Bramham Moor Airfield
B-Flight, 33 Squzdron


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bramham_Moor_Aerodrome
http://www.tadhistory.org.uk/public/raf tadcaster/index.html