The Paleo Thread...

[Mr Haematocrit]

I presume that's because you haven't looked :P

There's absolutely tons.

In Africa there has always been a high level of food available from a animal meat source as such the majority of the evolution was based around hunting, while in colder climates such as east European man the diet has historically been based around root vegetables and grains.... Show me any evidence that historically one diet is good for all, or that the environment does not impact the diet.
The paleolithic diet is a modern dietary regimen that seeks to mimic the diet of preagricultural hunter-gatherer from one region and suggest that its suitable for everyone, or was once the diet of everyone.
A 2011 ranking by U.S. News & World Report, involving a panel of 22 experts, ranked the Paleo diet lowest of the 20 diets evaluated based on factors including health, weight-loss and ease of following.These results were repeated in the 2012 survey.

Now I would be most happy to read any independent evidence, or research from someone who has not written a book, or actively gains financially from the diet stating that its the great thing many people suggest it is... I am unable to find any such highly respected dietary experts advising this diet, however I presume that's because I haven't looked hard enough, but if there loads of independent evidence I'm hoping you can point the way for me :P

 

[redcard]

In Africa there has always been a high level of food available from a animal meat source as such the majority of the evolution was based around hunting, while in colder climates such as east European man the diet has historically been based around root vegetables and grains.... Show me any evidence that historically one diet is good for all, or that the environment does not impact the diet.
The paleolithic diet is a modern dietary regimen that seeks to mimic the diet of preagricultural hunter-gatherer from one region and suggest that its suitable for everyone, or was once the diet of everyone.
A 2011 ranking by U.S. News & World Report, involving a panel of 22 experts, ranked the Paleo diet lowest of the 20 diets evaluated based on factors including health, weight-loss and ease of following.These results were repeated in the 2012 survey.

Now I would be most happy to read any independent evidence, or research from someone who has not written a book, or actively gains financially from the diet stating that its the great thing many people suggest it is... I am unable to find any such highly respected dietary experts advising this diet, however I presume that's because I haven't looked hard enough, but if there loads of independent evidence I'm hoping you can point the way for me :P

Well, if your primary source is the US News report, who used as their benchmark the US Government's nutritional recommendations, which has made the US the 2nd fattest country in the world, then I wouldn't really expect the Paleo diet to fare very well.

It's not one-size-fits-all. The books are generalised information, which the authors are clear about - it's up to the individual to find out what works and what doesn't.

 

[HardPlant]

Overweight? Mark Sisson or Robb Wolf aren't overweight at all. Would be interesting if you could name some fatties...

The argument about vitamin supplements has been done - it's primal philosophy adapted for modern times. No one is trying to pretend they're eating like a cavemen did. The vegetables we have these days bear absolutely no resemblance to back then - again, no one is pretending otherwise.

Anyway, I switched to a paleo-type diet last week. Cut out all artificial foods, all wheat and bread products, most dairy. Dropped below 70KG for the first time in years, and i feel great.

Well i took my opinion from this video:
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zVxA6yipv4
I know it's biased but im guessing low carb high fat is still pretty much the same as paleo. Now i dont want this to turn into some flame war but im pretty certain that veganism will benefit you more as you get older and im pretty sure vegans would live longer. And factory farming causes so much pollution. Sad how cars get a bad name because of pollution while infact raising animals for food causes way more pollution. Besides i dont have to limit my calories either. I eat more than 500 grams of carbs a day, i should be eating around 900 grams but im working on it.

Sorry if i was a little rough but that's just my opinion.

 

[ThinAir]

Overweight? Mark Sisson or Robb Wolf aren't overweight at all. Would be interesting if you could name some fatties...


Anyway, I switched to a paleo-type diet last week. Cut out all artificial foods, all wheat and bread products, most dairy. Dropped below 70KG for the first time in years, and i feel great.

Coupled with my exercise regime and other stuff, I.e. cycling and playing other sports, I shifted 9lbs last week, and the food has pretty much clicked into place. I've found some really good foods that I would not have eaten before, and I am really enjoying everything now.

Stopped smoking as well (been well over a month now), So I can actually taste things now, it's wicked :-)

I haven't seen any scientific proof, but again, that's probably because I haven't looked, but the rests I am getting are speaking for themselves.

 

[Mr Haematocrit]

Never smoked, do not drink alcohol on a regular basis, I do not eat a lot of sweets or chocolates, or eat vast quantities of processed low quality food. I eat fish, nuts, berrys and all kinds of fresh meat. I drink water and live an active lifestyle. The result is that I have never weighed more than nine and a half stone.
I have never followed any particular diet I have just tried to make sensible choices. I'm currently cutting working towards cutting caffeine and processed sugar completely from my consumption intake

 

[redcard]

Never smoked, do not drink alcohol on a regular basis, I do not eat a lot of sweets or chocolates, or eat vast quantities of processed low quality food. I eat fish, nuts, berrys and all kinds of fresh meat. I drink water and live an active lifestyle. The result is that I have never weighed more than nine and a half stone.
I have never followed any particular diet I have just tried to make sensible choices. I'm currently cutting working towards cutting caffeine and processed sugar completely from my consumption intake

You're pretty much following what paleo dieters would recognise as a paleo-style diet.

You didn't mention bread or pasta. Is your carb consumption lower than average?

 

[Mr Haematocrit]

You're pretty much following what paleo dieters would recognise as a paleo-style diet.

You didn't mention bread or pasta. Is your carb consumption lower than average?

Not really, I eat a fair amount of wholemeal pasta, wholemeal rice. I consume a lot of wholemeal wraps instead of sandwiches which I take to work simply because I prefer the taste. I don't avoid bread and eat it when needed such as Saturday is french stick and Bacon and mushroom day. Nothing else will do.
Only things I'm trying to avoid is Caffeine and Sugar.. not as good at it as I would like either

 

[araapatlio]

I was vegetarian for about 17 years, from 9 to 26, then I started to eat meat again, for health reasons. I'm relatively palaeo but still transitioning, it is difficult to get rid of some things, especially when rice is so cheap and easy to cook. I eat little bread anymore. I do like the occasional ice cream - and I also wear VFFs...

 

[Mr Haematocrit]

and I also wear VFFs...

Very interesting shoe, developed for gripping the surface of a slippy boat deck, promoted as a running shoe. The professionals who treat foot injury have a low opinion of these shoes, and have seen an increase in metatarsal stress fractures in users of these shoes as can be seen on podiatry forums the net over.
Vibram also have a class action law suit ongoing over the claims they make regarding the shoes.

http://www.podiatry-arena.com/podiatry-forum/showthread.php?t=48566
http://www.runresearchjunkie.com/update-on-the-vibram-fivefingers-class-action/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/22/barefoot-running-injuries_n_1536017.html
http://www.runningbarefootisbad.com

So if your thinking about running in them, I would advise reading some research from professionals rather than the barefoot zealots which are rife on running forums... If you want to run barefoot, take your shoes off.

Disclaimer.. I do run, and I have a pair of VFF as they are comfortable for walking round the office. I do not run in them

 

[slowmotion]

I thought that this thread was about those Sardinian blokes riding horses recklessly in Sienna. Where do vegetables come into the equation?

 

[Blue Hills]

Microwave should be a "no no" anyway... It's not proper cooking whether you are doing Paleo, weight watchers or tbs rustlers burger diet!

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Tell me more ThinAir- I don't have a microwave and have never felt the need for one, but why isn't it cooking? Any health/nutrition issues with this "non cooking" ?

 

[araapatlio]

So if your thinking about running in them, I would advise reading some research from professionals rather than the barefoot zealots which are rife on running forums... If you want to run barefoot, take your shoes off.

Disclaimer.. I do run, and I have a pair of VFF as they are comfortable for walking round the office. I do not run in them

I ran in them for about a year and a half, without any real problem but I've not been able to run for a while (due to a knee injury, combination of over-training, aggravated at karate).

VFFs are great to run in, but the biggest problem is that people who are used to running in Asics and heel-planting often don't take the necessary adjustment time and are midfoot/ball of the foot.

I'd recommend them to anyone as comfortable shoes, but if you want to run in them, you've really got to take sufficient time to get used to them.

 

[araapatlio]

Only things I'm trying to avoid is Caffeine and Sugar.. not as good at it as I would like either

I'm sure I read somewhere that cavemen drank coffee. That's my line and I'm sticking to it...

 

[Ningishzidda]

Cyclists.
Check the NHS BMI chart.
Add on 2 stones for the 14 lb of muscle between Thoracic cage and ankles.

 

[ThinAir]

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Tell me more ThinAir- I don't have a microwave and have never felt the need for one, but why isn't it cooking? Any health/nutrition issues with this "non cooking" ?

I don't think that there any health or nutrition issues. I just think its cheating!