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[User169]

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USADA claim jurisdiction based on

• Arguments set forth
• UCI not challenging USADA's assertion of results management responsibility within 21 days (which expired on June 12th 2012) as set out in the CAS articles of arbitration

(not sure that richp was being entirely serious!)

 

[Happiness Stan]

For heavens sake, who cares if he doped or not.

No I don't care about that, come on now who does? It's more the lies, intimidation, bullying, lies, bribery, obtaining wealth and status through deceiptful acts, using federal funds to buy drugs, tarnishing a whole sport, the lies, the arrogance, the continuing lack of regret or remorse.

 

[rich p]

I was just trying to ascribe 'a lack of' to him and continuing the religious theme. I'm fully open to suggestions of how to describe him (I may also have misunderstood your post).

maybe 'morally bankrupt' would be a better phrase!
bankrupt? Ah, we can only hope.

 

[Happiness Stan]

Question:
If I see someone wearing a Livestong wristband do I:
a) Ignore it
b) Ask them what the wristband means to them
c) Ask them why they are supporting a charity founded on deceipt by a bully, cheat, liar etc.
d) Call them a 'cock-end'?

 

[Crackle]

maybe 'morally bankrupt' would be a better phrase!
bankrupt? Ah, we can only hope.

Ah yes. It's probably what I was aiming for. I mix my metaphors sometimes.

 

[MacB]

maybe 'morally bankrupt' would be a better phrase!
bankrupt? Ah, we can only hope.

Hmmm, on that one I make Dell right, Fortress Armstrong will weather the storm, he's unlikely to ever fall to the depths his actions deserve. Don't forget that up in the rarefied atmosphere he inhabits the biggest crime is getting caught but that's only really a crime if you're not able to influence/spin it away.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Hmmm, on that one I make Dell right, Fortress Armstrong will weather the storm, he's unlikely to ever fall to the depths his actions deserve. Don't forget that up in the rarefied atmosphere he inhabits the biggest crime is getting caught but that's only really a crime if you're not able to influence/spin it away.

I agree with dell to that extent. However, I part company when he goes further and implies that as a result we shouldn't bother ourselves with this or care.

 

[007fair]

Question:
If I see someone wearing a Livestong wristband do I:
a) Ignore it
b) Ask them what the wristband means to them
c) Ask them why they are supporting a charity founded on deceipt by a bully, cheat, liar etc.
d) Call them a 'cock-end'?

all of the above except A Actual word used in D is open

 

[Dayvo]

Question:
If I see someone wearing a Livestong wristband do I:
a) Ignore it
b) Ask them what the wristband means to them
c) Ask them why they are supporting a charity founded on deceipt by a bully, cheat, liar etc.
d) Call them a 'cock-end'?

You reply in the appropriate order of importance:

d)
c)
b)
and when they try to attempt an explanation
a)

 

[MacB]

I agree with dell to that extent. However, I part company when he goes further and implies that as a result we shouldn't bother ourselves with this or care.

and in that you and I are in total agreement

 

[johnr]

LANCE ARMSTRONG: If you have a doping offence or you test positive, it goes without saying that you're fired from all your contracts. Not just the team, but there's numerous contracts that I have that would all go away.
JEFFREY TILLOTSON: Sponsorship agreements, for example?
LANCE ARMSTRONG: All of them. And the faith of all the cancer survivors around the world. So everything I do off of the bike would go away too.
And don't think for a second I don't understand that. It's not about money for me. Everything. It's also about the faith that people have put in me over the years. So all of that would be erased.
So I don't need it to say in a contract you're fired if you test positive. That's not as important as losing the support of hundreds of millions of people.

I think this part of Armstrong's testimony is the most sickening. Then, he stresses the importance of the faith cancer survivors have in him; now, he's cowering behind them at the last redoubt.

And he was wrong about the multi-nationals putting principle before profit as well, wasn't he.

 

[dellzeqq]

“If I doped, I would potentially stand to lose everything,” he said. “It’s a long list. My reputation, my livelihood, my marriage, my family, my house. Everything I’ve achieved, my Olympic medals, my world titles, the CBE I was given. "I would have to take my children to the school gates in a small Lancashire village with everyone looking at me, knowing I had cheated, knowing I had, perhaps, won the Tour de France, but then been caught. “My wife organises races in Lancashire."I have my own sportif, with people coming and paying £40 each to ride. If all that was built on sand, if I was deceiving all those people, I would have to live with the knowledge it could all disappear just like that.”
LANCE ARMSTRONG: All of them. And the faith of all the cancer survivors around the world. So everything I do off of the bike would go away too.And don't think for a second I don't understand that. It's not about money for me. Everything. It's also about the faith that people have put in me over the years. So all of that would be erased.So I don't need it to say in a contract you're fired if you test positive. That's not as important as losing the support of hundreds of millions of people.
Now... my point (before people start busting blood vessels), is that no denial is worth anything.

 

[Strathlubnaig]

This quote from Liggett nearly had my in tears (of laughter):

"I had an email from an eminent scientist from the US yesterday. An SMS actually. It said if Lance Armstrong had taken the drugs outlined by USADA he’d have been dead ten years ago. He’s an eminent scientist and a very intelligent man. I don’t know his name, the SMS came from a secondary person.”

Are you sure now Phil, it wasnae a letter sent in a bottle by a seagull?

He is a cockwomble.

and then he got a text from a 3rd party offering to claim his compensation about the accident he had recently....

 

[Strathlubnaig]

http://www.veloveritas.co.uk/2012/10/12/lance-armstrong-a-scandal-too-far/

Interesting read. the last line does ring true if we are all very honest, properly honest I mean.

 

[johnr]

http://www.veloveritas.co.uk/2012/10/12/lance-armstrong-a-scandal-too-far/

Interesting read. the last line does ring true if we are all very honest, properly honest I mean.

Wouldn't come up on my computer - liked the UCI corruption graphic tho'