The new improved Lance Armstrong discussion thread.*

[Red Light]

I think you have to drink a lot of coffee before you breach the caffeine limit, I think it's something like 8 espressos?

Or one Turkish coffee

 

[Red Light]

So now Kimmage has been subpoenaed to appear in a Swiss Court and defend his claim that the UCI covered up a failed Armstrong EPO test, will we now at last see an examination of the evidence and a legal ruling on the validity of that claim? And if as he has said in the past he intends to do, and does an Armstrong and doesn't defend it despite the subpoenae, does that mean its not true?

 

[mangaman]

Have USADA sent the evidence to UCI by surface mail or what? An example of the establishment at its finest, at this rate the protagonists will have retired or died before the issues are resolved and the evidence is made public.

They've given it to Tyler and he is cycling it to Switzerland in his panniers.

Unfortunately now he's not "enhanced" it could take him decades...

 

[rich p]

It means that anyone would remain free to doubt it.

Who are you talking to Adrian?

 

[Red Light]

It means that anyone would remain free to doubt it.

A courtesy not extended here to those with doubts about the USADA decision though.

Hi Rich

 

[Paulus]

I have just ordered Tyler Hamilton's book, The Secret Race. I do feel a bit uneasy about buying a book by a convicted drug cheat and obviously helping to fill his coffers. But I feel the need to hear his side of the story and with the evidence seemingly stacking up against L.A i am compelled to give it a go and see what he says. Am I a bad man?

 

[oldroadman]

I have just ordered Tyler Hamilton's book, The Secret Race. I do feel a bit uneasy about buying a book by a convicted drug cheat and obviously helping to fill his coffers. But I feel the need to hear his side of the story and with the evidence seemingly stacking up against L.A i am compelled to give it a go and see what he says. Am I a bad man?

No, just interested in how many bends can a story take before it's out of sight. I find it hard to get my head around how, under duress from the legal system in the "land of the free" offering any kind of evidence, hearsay or not, gets you off the hook. I hold no brief for LA or the "omerta" business, but TH is about as far from credible as you can get with his history!

 

[Norm]

I think you have to drink a lot of coffee before you breach the caffeine limit, I think it's something like 8 espressos?

Is that a lot? Wow, it's lucky that I'm not a pro racer... for this amongst many, many other reasons.

 

[smutchin]

TH is about as far from credible as you can get with his history!

Having read the book, I entirely disagree. It's a very credible account.

d.

 

[rich p]

No, just interested in how many bends can a story take before it's out of sight. I find it hard to get my head around how, under duress from the legal system in the "land of the free" offering any kind of evidence, hearsay or not, gets you off the hook. I hold no brief for LA or the "omerta" business, but TH is about as far from credible as you can get with his history!

Bloke pleads innocence until confronted with no way out - fesses up. It really isn't that uncommon you know.

 

[Erratic]

Bloke pleads innocence until confronted with no way out - fesses up. It really isn't that uncommon you know.

Or, bloke pleads innocence, fesses up when he is broke and makes money out of pointing the finger at someone else.

 

[ufkacbln]

Is that a lot? Wow, it's lucky that I'm not a pro racer... for this amongst many, many other reasons.

Is there something you wish to share?

 

[ufkacbln]

No, just interested in how many bends can a story take before it's out of sight. I find it hard to get my head around how, under duress from the legal system in the "land of the free" offering any kind of evidence, hearsay or not, gets you off the hook. I hold no brief for LA or the "omerta" business, but TH is about as far from credible as you can get with his history!

USADA are on record as saying that they would not have sought the removal of all of Armstrong's titles "if he had cooperated", and are also on record as saying that a reduction in his ban is still on the cards in return for cooperation.

Allegedly all the statements in the USADA case were rewarded with significant reductions in bans.

Whether this is any different from other "bargains" struck in Court cases or other Tribunals is a moot point.

 

[rich p]

Or, bloke pleads innocence, fesses up when he is broke and makes money out of pointing the finger at someone else.

He fessed up, as did all the others apparently, when the Grand Jury asked him questions that would have resulted in perjury charges and imprisonment had he lied.

 

[Norm]

Is there something you wish to share?

Not until after my 8th coffee.