Supersuperleeds
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He might appeal! What a bloody nerve......
smutchin
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His statement is laughable. Also strangely reminiscent of some of the things Lance was saying at first until he eventually realised he didn't have a leg to stand on.
Actually the statements ("we are the scapegoats for an entire generation... boohoo") on the BBC-website are not complete, on his blog he is continuing the statements with this:
"I am a Belgian national and I reside in the United Kingdom. I have never been a member of USA Cycling, nor any other national governing body of sport based in the United States. I have never signed any document or agreement granting USADA or the AAA any authority over my livelihood or me. None of the anti-doping rule violations alleged by USADA are said to have occurred on US soil. It simply cannot be correct or acceptable that USADA - a US organization - is freely able to determine the livelihood of any individual that it chooses to prosecute, without boundary and without oversight."
Not saying he doesn't deserve a ban from cycling (as I feel people like Vino and others still around should face a ban as well).
However, I do understand (from a legal pov) why he has a problem with the American institutes deciding this.
Probably a lot of people here don't care who puts the dopers away, but I do feel he should get this penalty from the UCI or WADA.
(Although UCI/WADA do seem to need a good kick-in-the-ass from the American institutes before they get off their asses as seen in the Armstrong conviction)
With all due respect, I don't think you do understand it from a legal point of view. What USADA decides is upheld by all similarly WADA affiliated sporting bodies (broadly speaking, those sports signed up to the WADA/Olympic code). USADA has the recognised authority to do what they have done, regardless of what JB thinks. Further, CAS will not overturn that.
It's important to remember this is not a court of law - there are different rules in operation here. People may not like that (and I must admit, I do have some wobbles sometimes) but it is all laid out and agreed. We're not talking about a death sentence here, just doping in sport.
Don't want to anger anybody here, just wanted to say that to my - unknowledgeable on all these structures - view, I see it like this:
If I break a rule (e.g. I steal something) in France as a Belgian citizen, I can imagine I need to be trialed in France or in Belgium... or - if it's a really big offense - I could/should be trialed by the "International Criminal Court", since that is an institution that represents many countries (and in this case indeed the 2 countries that are impacted).
I don't understand however that the German court would decide on this crime I did.
Then again, I am looking at this perhaps at a too simple perspective.
And just to clarify, I should not get away with it, I need to be locked up (whether if only in this hypothetical, I leave up for discussion)
smutchin
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Sorry I wasn't clear about it but I was referring to the full statement on his blog as being laughable.
USADA is an agent of WADA, and UCI is a signatory to WADA's codes, therefore any activity JB took part in under the auspices of the UCI is within the remit of USADA's investigation.
If he tries to appeal on the stated grounds, CAS will give him very short shrift.
Hont
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It was a US registered team funded by mostly US corporations. He's arguing a technicality. And wtf is he doing living in the UK?
He needs to do a new title for his book now too.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Might-Well-Win-Mastermind-Record-Setting/dp/1845964683
How about..."We might as well appeal, cos we're f*cked either way"
smutchin
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Useful reading for anyone who questions the validity of the process:
http://inrng.com/2014/04/bruyneel-b..._campaign=Feed:+inrng/inrng0+(The+Inner+Ring)
http://inrng.com/2014/04/bruyneel-b..._campaign=Feed:+inrng/inrng0+(The+Inner+Ring)
You're not being too simplistic but you are applying the wrong framework - and there's no shame in that as many people intuitively do, have done so and will probably continue to.
As I said, you have to understand it is NOT a court of law, international or otherwise. Look at it as an international agreement between sporting bodies. As a single body, these individual organisations have decided to combine forces and recognise each other's authority precisely because of the international nature of sports. It's a 2 way thing too; courts of law are not the place for dealing with sports violations. I admit, it's requires a bit of a mind flip, as one does automatically think of national rules of justice etc, but you also have to remember that these guys are not deciding to jail or hang people. In fact, they have very limited powers.
thom
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Here is the verdict of the AAA : http://www.usada.org/uploads/aaa42214.pdf
SWSteve
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User169
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Out of interest, why shouldn't he live in the UK?
Hont
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It wasn't that he shouldn't, I was just wondering why he does (given the other options he presumably has)
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Fair enough - I thought you were suggesting some nefarious reason! Much as I like Belgium, I could think of shed loads of reasons to live in that London!
