He did nickname himself as Juan Pelota and named his café after it too.
http://www.juanpelotacafe.com/
http://www.juanpelotacafe.com/
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craigwend
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where will it end though?
http://newsthump.com/2012/10/25/ant...ards-removal-from-rolling-stones-record-book/
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thom
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I bet the coffee tastes like bollock.
(I'm trying hard to stay away from tea bag allusions...)
LOL - excellent!
deptfordmarmoset
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I'm sure I remember Armstrong presenting Sarkozy with a top of the range bike, maybe 3 years ago. Where there's a gift, there's graft?
I am at a loss how this all computes?
Walsh the great condemner when confronted with scientific facts decided his opinion was more acurate.
PK who is renowned on here by some as a good journalist but still we wait for the facts of the case he has played out for years!
Perhaps some may have forgotten Sunday Times binned PK so chances they will offer cash his way is NADA!
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Orbytal - which were the facts that Walsh didn't like? Sorry, but there are so many different issues flying around on this thread that I couldn't see actually what you were referring to here.
In relation to PK, I'd say that he's been substantially vindicated!
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Re Walsh I refer to his fall out with Stephen Roche accusing him of doping despite scientific confirmation he did not, at least not on the occasion in question. After that Walsh for me was sensationist media only based on his ego. Why let facts get in the way of a good story or his ego!
PK was binned by ST as noted so no chance of cash there, I assume you would agree?
With regards to Proof of PK claims Speculation and assumption are what we all can do here with all information we have at our hands but PK is now a journo who should have new and better Proof but we have not seen it or am I missing something that IOC and the Courts are missing?
You say he was vindicated but where is the proof he is spouting for years but not tabled to show?
It may well be that we can all believe he is correct but there is a world of difference of believing in something and proving it and all I ask for is Proof not speculation.
On doping in Cycling most on here as well as myself could tell you what has/was/is going on so nothing new there but WRT Collusion, Taking Cash, Hiding Tests etc. Proof is required or he may well just bin his journo job and punt in with us as we appear to have the same info as he does!
Is he a saviour or a sensationalist like Walsh? If he had the convictions of his claims he would have filed for Court Action long before now but he didnt or am I also missing something there as well?
Re Walsh I refer to his fall out with Stephen Roche accusing him of doping despite scientific confirmation he did not, at least not on the occasion in question. After that Walsh for me was sensationist media only based on his ego. Why let facts get in the way of a good story or his ego!
PK was binned by ST as noted so no chance of cash there, I assume you would agree?
With regards to Proof of PK claims Speculation and assumption are what we all can do here with all information we have at our hands but PK is now a journo who should have new and better Proof but we have not seen it or am I missing something that IOC and the Courts are missing?
You say he was vindicated but where is the proof he is spouting for years but not tabled to show?
It may well be that we can all believe he is correct but there is a world of difference of believing in something and proving it and all I ask for is Proof not speculation.
On doping in Cycling most on here as well as myself could tell you what has/was/is going on so nothing new there but WRT Collusion, Taking Cash, Hiding Tests etc. Proof is required or he may well just bin his journo job and punt in with us as we appear to have the same info as he does!
Is he a saviour or a sensationalist like Walsh? If he had the convictions of his claims he would have filed for Court Action long before now but he didnt or am I also missing something there as well?
Well that depends on what his old contract said. Ownership of copyright can depend on whether PK was a staff reporter or freelance, if the article was syndicated or not. Some senior journalists retain copyright or a portion of it even when they are staff.
Please can you expand on the Walsh v Roche scientific confirmation of no doping. I am well aware of the public spat between the two
but am not sure what you are referring too.
Flying_Monkey
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I am not aware of any accepted 'scientific confirmation' of no doping, merely not testing positive in doping controls etc. These are subtly different but important things, indeed the Lance Armstrong case depends partly on understanding the difference.
I understand the difference but I'm not sure about some others.
In any medical test, there is a "chance element" it is why there is a figure of specificity and sensitivity.
The false negative rate for EPO is well known in the literature. Never mind the possibility of catching a rider who is actively trying to beat the test.
It may be an urban myth, but wasn't there one rider who (according to his urine sample) was pregnant!
The false negative rate for EPO is well known in the literature. Never mind the possibility of catching a rider who is actively trying to beat the test.
It may be an urban myth, but wasn't there one rider who (according to his urine sample) was pregnant!
oldroadman
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A long time ago, yes. Things caught up with him a little later. Mind there was a lot of piss taking in the peloton....
I would suggest that if PK was to inherit anything he would have had to share the hurt when ST lost and he didn't so on the books journo for my assessment.
On Walsh v Roche it is the same as most are referring to, I am assuming? The test advised as positive then advised as not positive based on the doping controls in place. Walsh condemned him and refused to change his stance resulting in the fall out which was poor show after their previous excellent relationship.
If you are wrong you suck it up unless you are Walsh and basically ruins a good relationship for ego.
Walsh on Armstrong I have no issues.
