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Remarkable how Brexiteers believe so much in the UK that they shift production overseas and then shift themselves overseas too...
The Ineos Grenadier thread.
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I was thinking exactly the same.
rogerzilla
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If Suzuki can't import the Jimny - a Defender substitute for those who don't need the space - any more due to EU fleet CO2 standards, how on earth does Grenadier get round this? Or are the EU fleet emission standards being ripped up on 1 Jan by our greenest government ever?
rogerzilla
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They're buying ECU chips from Zorin.
Probably with very high EMP protection?
(if the same thoughts still apply?)
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Wasn't he the evil baddie in Flash Gordon, he's turned his life around.
rogerzilla
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Bond villain played by the engagingly unhinged Christopher Walken.
Randomnerd
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Get a knighthood. Move to Monaco. Build great British truck in France. Brilliant. The badges should read Grenadier Hypocrite. Proud to be British - joke.
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Drago
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I don't suppose there's any danger of sticking to topic? I don't want to risk my thread being closed by mods, or dragged off to the the News and Whatever forum that I refuse to patronise because of all the silly partisan behaviour - I sit on the fence and refuse to discuss politics in real life, and I'd just as soon my thread did the same.
Ineos are developing a fuel cell version, as they reckon that Lion batteries scaled up large enough to work trucks brings too many compromises, and simply scale up the inefficiencies. Mind you, it may already have something to do with their industrial processes creating vast volumes of hydrogen, and for which there is otherwise no ready market...? It's a cynical view, but perhaps a fair enough one - no point in entering a commercial venture to not make money out of it.
They're using BMW engines, and I think BMW likely have more development wherewithall than Suzuki motors do. The Jimny engine can trac eit's basic design back to the 1970's.
Ineos are developing a fuel cell version, as they reckon that Lion batteries scaled up large enough to work trucks brings too many compromises, and simply scale up the inefficiencies. Mind you, it may already have something to do with their industrial processes creating vast volumes of hydrogen, and for which there is otherwise no ready market...? It's a cynical view, but perhaps a fair enough one - no point in entering a commercial venture to not make money out of it.
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Maybe I should have put a smiley face after my sarcastic comments just to show it's meaning, however I was watching Salvage Hunters last night 7 they were somewhere in the West Midlands visiting a locksmith who had been there since the late 1800's each piece of machinery & even the cast steel beams holding the roof up had 'Made in Britain' maybe we need some of that pride bringing back. Although they worked 8 till 6 Mon to Fri & 8 till 12 on Saturday
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Drago
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Even if it had been built here, the only honest claim would be "assembled in Britain from parts sourced from abroad, because they're either better or cheaper. Or sometimes both." Not terribly catchy, i admit, and not very neat written under a union flag emblem. Nevertheless, it would have been nice if they were assembled here.
KneesUp
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The Grenadier has a 'toot' button for cyclists. It's not the full horn, it's a quiet horn.
Presumably it's there because cyclists won't be aware that a massive, several ton vehicle with off-road tyres and a Diesel engine is behind them?
Or maybe it's a way of saying "I'm going to overtake you, but there isn't enough room, so I'm going to toot at you, so you can, oh I dunno, levitate / cycle into a ditch / disappear for a bit"
I mean, wtf is it for, really?
Presumably it's there because cyclists won't be aware that a massive, several ton vehicle with off-road tyres and a Diesel engine is behind them?
Or maybe it's a way of saying "I'm going to overtake you, but there isn't enough room, so I'm going to toot at you, so you can, oh I dunno, levitate / cycle into a ditch / disappear for a bit"
I mean, wtf is it for, really?
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Drago
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It might not be so bad. Back in the day the Citroen CX had a similar horn. Instead of a full on, angry, silverback chest beating honk it was fairly polite and unrhreatening toot-toot. It was actually really good for letting vulnerable road users (and lets be honest, the typical rider has dreadful roadcraft and never let their gaze deviate from 10° either side of dead ahead) know they are there without alarming them. Ineos have been using theirs on the support vehicles and feedback has been very positive, hence the inclusion on the production vehicles. And remember, the use of any horn is optional anyway...
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Drago
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Some MRT's have spent a lot of money refurbishing their Defenders to keep them going, but with vehicles working so hard every day that will only varry them so far.
According to their website Ineos are taking orders for July 2022 delivery, although one wonders if that will hold firm with the present global supply chain issues?
According to their website Ineos are taking orders for July 2022 delivery, although one wonders if that will hold firm with the present global supply chain issues?
GilesM
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I saw one in the flesh recently at the Goodwood revival, it looks like a big version of the original defender, but IMHO it seems to be missing something, sort of characterless and nowhere near as good to look at as the New Defender, and as the New Defender is a similar price I can't see the reason for buying the Grenadier, if the plan is for a more utilitarian vehicle, I would suggest a more utilitarian price.
