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SpokeyDokey

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If you look beyond the top 5-6 well established large capacity clubs the revenues from match day are relatively low compared to TV money in 2014-15 season Palace bought in 10m match day and 64m TV against £100m Arsenal and 108m Man U and 71 million Chelsea I know some of that is capacity but not all of it can be. I think Liverpool was around 50m so they are lagging in the fleecing supporters stakes..

I don't disagree with what you say but maybe fans are just getting sick to the back teeth with what they see being paid as wages etc? And maybe this is just part of a wider unease within the game?

End of the day the new TV deal was going to benefit the game - which surely includes the fans?

We all know who it will benefit though - owners, managers and players. Once their snouts have been in the trough there will be nothing left of the increase to reduce ticket prices let alone stave off increases.
 
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My nerves are shot after watching Hibs come back from 2-0 down at HT to score an injury time equaliser to take it to a replay.
 

MarkF

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My ST is £149, it's so cheap it doesn't make sense not to buy one with £20 match day walk up prices. I often can't be bothered to attend so poor is the quality of hoofball and spend £5 watching my local amateur team, Thackley, instead.
 

SeanM

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Standard media speak for all things Kop - a club that is enshrouded by memories of yesteryear and mawkish sentimentality. If someone's Staffy dies it's time to break out the black arm bands.

Quite why the media pander to it is beyond me - even a couple of weeks ago the media were pitching LFC vs MUFC as the 'biggest club game on the planet'. What a load of rollocks. The nodding dogs in the Northern biased punditry teams were salivating at the prospect and fervently agreeing. Risible.

Saying that - I do get where the fans were coming from yesterday. Ticket prices are absurd for 90 minutes of entertainment. Ditto for the prices charged for food/drink/programmes at the grounds.

The big negative I have about the game is the astronomical amount of money that ends up in the clubs, managers and players pockets and the continual screwing every last drop out of the fans - oops, sorry I forgot they are now customers according to LFC's owners. Whether by the clubs themselves or Sky/BT it is a constant round of how much more can we take out of the game.

So, not my favourite club, but good for them (notwithstanding the Guardians overly sentimental prose).


The Guardian's 'oversentimental prose' was from a guy who is an integral part of The Anfield Wrap, a Liverpool podcast, and a rather good one at that.

Chelsea fans, haven't a clue, as usual.

I really hope Leicester win the league this year.
 

Inertia

I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
I don't disagree with what you say but maybe fans are just getting sick to the back teeth with what they see being paid as wages etc? And maybe this is just part of a wider unease within the game?

End of the day the new TV deal was going to benefit the game - which surely includes the fans?
I watched a good discussion where they basically said the ticket price is a drop in the ocean compared to TV money. even if you straight up doubled ticket prices,its peanut's in the greater scheme and just comes across as greed.
 

simon.r

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Nottingham
I watched a good discussion where they basically said the ticket price is a drop in the ocean compared to TV money. even if you straight up doubled ticket prices,its peanut's in the greater scheme and just comes across as greed.

I imagined that was the case, but match day income isn't as low a proportion as I'd assumed, especially for the bigger clubs. These figures http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/18/premier-league-finances-club-by-club show, for example, that Man U have almost as much income from match day income as from TV.

Figures are from 2011/12 so how much TV income has increased I'm not sure?
 

AndyRM

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North Shields
Rangers 0 Killie 0
Killie better score quick as we are due our mandatory penalty shortly :whistle:

You swapped it for a ridiculous red card, nae luck.

Played the ball, barely touched the player, no intent. Had his foot been going towards his opponents baws then I could understand it, but that's never a red. A joke of a decision which we should appeal and should be successful.
 

AndyRM

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But that is very much the English game - in the nearly 50 years I have been following CFC and football in general it was ever thus. Classic Number 9 (too few left these days) and central defenders. Each trying to wind their oppo's up.

Take the infamous Costa/Skrtel incident a couple of seasons back where there was a goal line tussle - what a big deal the media made of that but at the end of the match both Costa & Skrtel had a big grin for each other, shook hands and had a man hug!

I'm really not looking for an argument here but your Prodl argument is selective. Prodl was also being a complete dick with his shirt tugging and holding onto Costa for corners etc throughout the game. In fact some of your team's antics at corners were laughable. Not saying CFC are whiter than white on this but Watford were very Stoke-like (under Pulis) and WBA-like (under Pulis) in this respect.

In fact if you look at some of the media stills back of the Perades incident they too are selective - they show Costa pushing Perades down, Perades on the floor etc but nothing of the three full rolls and him holding his face. At least your captain Deeney has basically said that Perades was a total jerk and that his antics are not wanted in the game and that he will be having a quite word with him. Good man!

The incident was so low key that even at the second half kick off the Ref' and Costa were having a bit of a laugh with each other pointing at their eyes in recognition that the ref' had his eyes on Costa - friendly, jokey banter.

The real problem is that the media love a villain and Costa plays nicely into that role - for all the negative comments that he gets I'd wager a whole heap of clubs would bite their arm off to have him as there CF.

Tbh it gets a little wearing with the media obsession with everything negative about Chelsea - nothing gets forgotten eg the two Terry incidents (infidelity & racism). It's always getting brought up.

And yet married captain fantastic Rooney has a blow job from a whore and that's in the history bin as far as the media are concerned. He's an all-England hero now. Ditto Giggs who was bedding his S-I-L for 8 years or Rio who missed drugs tests etc etc. As I say, the media are very selective. Giggs is apparently a latter day role model and Rio is an all time great and much wanted as a pundit. No mention of their indiscretions - ever.

Even the other day in the Mirror they were saying that we are hated as we simply bought our way to success in 2004. They seemed to support this view.

Well, excuse me. How exactly were Liverpool so dominant 3 decades back. How were MUFC & Arsenal so successful prior to 2004. I can pull stat's on this but they are readily available on the web. Never gets a mention by the media.

Ditto the current richest team in the country. 40 years in the wilderness and oil money comes to the rescue. Even with blatant violations of FFP and ensuing fines the press have forgotten this and currently fete the team. No mention at all of them buying their success.

The media are currently idolising Leicester (and well done to Leicester too) but take a look at the money the Thai's are throwing at the club. Record transfer spending. Record wage bill. But are they getting any stick for this? No. They are saviours of the League by all accounts, rescuing it from big four dominance.

Don't get me wrong - I think it's a fantastic season but big spending is part of the game and has been for many years. I just dislike the anti-Chelsea bias.

Sorry for going on a bit. :smile:

I've been thinking about this for a while and have a couple of thoughts.

Firstly, I think that Chelsea are the first side in the "modern" era (post 2000) to be viewed as buying success. This has caused natural resentment and is unfair since as you point out all teams have paid for success in one way or another. Which sort of leads me to my second thought:

Without the internet, Cheslea wouldnt get anything like as much flack. It would be much harder to find out about Abramovich, certain players wouldn't be subject to trial by media, finances would remain relatively obscure etc.

So I have sympathy for Chelsea, especially when Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal get a relatively free ride for spunking millions on players. But at the same time it does feel like Chelsea were the first in the digital communication era to go for it.
 
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User6179

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You swapped it for a ridiculous red card, nae luck.

Played the ball, barely touched the player, no intent. Had his foot been going towards his opponents baws then I could understand it, but that's never a red. A joke of a decision which we should appeal and should be successful.

Leading with studs and catching someone above the knee will be a straight red , looked a bit harsh at the time but it was late on and didnt change the game, just meant killie had to change from 3 upfront to 2:biggrin:

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AndyRM

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Leading with studs and catching someone above the knee will be a straight red , looked a bit harsh at the time but it was late on and didnt change the game, just meant killie had to change from 3 upfront to 2:biggrin:

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Bless. Is that supposed to be an injury? My cats have done worse.

You're right though, I'd be more annoyed if that had made an impact but we are now due another bag of money which we sorely need.
 
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User6179

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Bless. Is that supposed to be an injury? My cats have done worse.

You're right though, I'd be more annoyed if that had made an impact but we are now due another bag of money which we sorely need.


Biggest game of the season on Saturday for you , hopefully get the win .
 

SpokeyDokey

68, & my GP says I will officially be old at 70!
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I've been thinking about this for a while and have a couple of thoughts.

Firstly, I think that Chelsea are the first side in the "modern" era (post 2000) to be viewed as buying success. This has caused natural resentment and is unfair since as you point out all teams have paid for success in one way or another. Which sort of leads me to my second thought:

Without the internet, Cheslea wouldnt get anything like as much flack. It would be much harder to find out about Abramovich, certain players wouldn't be subject to trial by media, finances would remain relatively obscure etc.

So I have sympathy for Chelsea, especially when Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal get a relatively free ride for spunking millions on players. But at the same time it does feel like Chelsea were the first in the digital communication era to go for it.

Interesting thoughts.
 

SpokeyDokey

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