The Football.....

[User169]

Well as a neutral who never even expects to see my team play Barcelona, and old enough to remember all of Liverpool´s European Cups I´m not coming with any chips on shoulders.

I was delighted 3 years ago sitting in the freezing cold watch us eke out a 1-0 win at Wycombe.

But from where I sit, Chelsea played a great 2 legs against Barcalona - Liverpool are currently a mid table side.

Err - that´s it really

Beating Bayern home and away was pretty good!

 

[LosingFocus]

[drops in]

Up The Saints!

[drops out]

 

[dellzeqq]

A post quite transparently prompted by the need to cling to the coat-tails of possible success to bask in the vicarious glory of an achievement not yet felt. But it has by me, personally, in the actual stadium of its occurrence many times and that tends to tide me over. I don't need constant feeding of glory, I'd burst so a few fallow years are welcome. As you are to it.

I doubt very much whether User482 gives two hoots about whether Chelsea win anything. He's a Bristolian. And you're missing the point. Chelsea's performance was outstanding (and a kind of revenge for being robbed by a Swedish ref). The present Liverpool team could not have done the same thing. Terry is no saint. But, then again, neither is Gerrard - and as for Suarez....

Perhaps you're not aggrieved. Perhaps you're just looking through one eye.

 

[007fair]

They scored 2 goals at the Camp Nou - probably one of the few teams to do so apart from Real Madrid.

Saying "they parked the bus" etc is just ignorance.

They technically and tactically outmanoevered them over 2 legs despite having Terry sent off and Cahill injured. With no centre backs for most of the 2nd leg, they pretty comfortably won the thing from where I was watching.

Edit - Robben was the worst diver / whinger I`ve seen in the Prem - much worse than Drogba and he plays for, errm .. Bayern

So did Dundee Utd! .. a while back.

PaulB - Calm down, calm down.

 

[MarkF]

And you're missing the point. Chelsea's performance was outstanding

Surely you mean Bayern not Chelsea? As much as I agree that Liverpool are now a middling PL club, both Chelsea performances v Barca were dour, depressing and unimaginative, certainly not "outstanding".

 

[dellzeqq]

I do genuinely think it was outstanding. It reminded me of Forest against Hamburg (and against Liverpool) in the European Cup. A palpably inferior team defending in an organised way.

 

[mangaman]

Beating Bayern home and away was pretty good!

Well modesty permits etc etc

Actually although we were the 1st and only English club to win at the Olympic Stadium, we drew 1-1 at home so we went through and lost to Inter (0-1 home and away if I recall - pretty tough draw for the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the old EUFA)

We´d already thumped a Dutch club (Vitesse Arnham) of whom you probably know a lot more than me (other than were a bit crap in the 1993 EUFA)

 

[mangaman]

I do genuinely think it was outstanding. It reminded me of Forest against Hamburg (and against Liverpool) in the European Cup. A palpably inferior team defending in an organised way.

Indeed - heady days.

A great Forest side. I remember Trevor Francis diving to head in the cross.

And remember Aston Villa in 1982 - again underdogs against Bayern. Lost Jimmy Rimmer after a few minutes and a young Nigel Spink who´d only ever played a couple of games made a string of great saves. Then Peter Withe scored the winner.

I had to google the manager - Tony Barton for those embarking on a pub quiz.

interestingly it was the 6th successive win by an English club.

This was when it was only open to the country´s champions and after Franco distorted the thing in the 50s and 60s and before TV money went mad. So maybe British clubs really were the best when all the players (virtually) were homegrown.

I say British as the Liverpool side had a massive number of great Scottish players and managers.

 

[mangaman]

I was in Madrid with a few friends at the weekend, and I had pleasure of watching Real Madrid play live, very impressive stadium, a good match to watch, and I like the way Real Madrid play, but Spanish football will never be called fast and/or exciting, and has there ever been a player more lazy than Ronaldo, he has flashes of pure genuis, but seems to spend most of his time walking very slowly back from an offside position, when the play is at the other end of the pitch, we came to th conclusion he was hungover. Great day out and well worth the experience if you're ever over there.

Superb isn´t it.

I lived in Madrid in the 1980s when Real were actually crap - but used to go.

I´d never seen such a high stand at the time and the Barca game was something else.

And it´s in a really posh part of town - loads of great bars and restaurants nearby if you know where to go.

The football was dreadful though - slow and turgid. Like Italian football without the style. I think Spanish football has improved in terms of excitement since then.

Post Franco they had a massive lull.

I remember the Welsh beating Spain 4-0 that year if I recall and it wasn´t that much of a shock.

 

[RedRider]

Based on the last couple of pages I'd say there's some genuinely held opinions about Liverpool FC, our recent seasons and our current predicament (hey ho, roll on Saturday and another cup final!) grounded in honest ignorance and I suspect a teensy bit of WUM-ery too!

Thankfully, we've had more than our share of superb nights/trips following the boys over the years and can take the rough with the smooth and remain pretty optimistic about next season too. So lucky to be Reds!!

In other news..Dulwich Hamlet are in the Rymans Div 1 play off final vs Bognor at the weekend so half a chance for a double celebration.

 

[PaulB]

I doubt very much whether User482 gives two hoots about whether Chelsea win anything. He's a Bristolian. And you're missing the point. Chelsea's performance was outstanding (and a kind of revenge for being robbed by a Swedish ref). The present Liverpool team could not have done the same thing. Terry is no saint. But, then again, neither is Gerrard - and as for Suarez....

Perhaps you're not aggrieved. Perhaps you're just looking through one eye.

Well he clearly gives a very big hoot about wanting to somehow align himself to some possible success in order to bask in its sunlight. And the present Liverpool team have, if nothing else, given us (I went to both and get to go again the day after tomorrow) two successful trips to Wembley. One brought us a trophy and one saw us beat the bitters. Chelsea have won nowt so far (and neither team from Bristol have ever won anything in history, if I recall correctly) so you may be crowing too early here. Liverpool can't end up with nothing this season; Chelsea could.

And when you stay off the football, you can come out with some sense but when you stray into unfamiliar territory, I think of you as the well-named deadleg.

 

[Monsieur Remings]

I do genuinely think it was outstanding. It reminded me of Forest against Hamburg (and against Liverpool) in the European Cup. A palpably inferior team defending in an organised way.

I'd be the first to say I've done enough Chelsea baiting, knowing full well that the pathetic performance of the Hoops against them was evidence itself of how much better Chelsea performed on the day, but I really don't think they were outstanding against Barcelona by any means - like I've said, they did what they had to do and the 10 men, I think, galvanised the plan to soak up predictable attack after attack. What Chelsea did do well was listen to De Matteo who undoubtedly had the wit to tell his team that Barcelona, at this present time, could only play one way, preferring to pass the ball to death. Fabregas's own obituary summed it up rather nicely '...we never compromised our style.'


But...on a par with Cloughy's Forest?

 

[User482]

Well modesty permits etc etc

Actually although we were the 1st and only English club to win at the Olympic Stadium, we drew 1-1 at home so we went through and lost to Inter (0-1 home and away if I recall - pretty tough draw for the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the old EUFA)

We´d already thumped a Dutch club (Vitesse Arnham) of whom you probably know a lot more than me (other than were a bit crap in the 1993 EUFA)

Jeremy Goss, wasn't it? Terrific stuff from the Canaries...and you've made a great start back in the PL. I hope the hammers will be joining you next season!

 

[Monsieur Remings]

Jeremy Goss, wasn't it? Terrific stuff from the Canaries...and you've made a great start back in the PL. I hope the hammers will be joining you next season!

Yep, only wish the same could be said for the Rs. The Canaries have been an example of how to move up a tier and that man Lambert is going places, hopefully for you Manga, with Norwich.

And FWIW User482, I think you'll end up back in the PL - Cardiff are always crap in the play-offs and you've now got the 0-2 advantage. That leaves Blackpool and Birmingham of which I think Blackpool will win, but I can see you winning in the final. But, because I love Olly, I would love to see the Tangerines go back up again TBH.

 

[dellzeqq]

Well he clearly gives a very big hoot about wanting to somehow align himself to some possible success in order to bask in its sunlight. .

he didn't