The Football.....

[Joey Shabadoo]

This is a belter too -


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[jowwy]

Apologies, the last couple of days have been a bit busy! I see it from three perspectives the first being the PL clubs don't really have to work hard, if at all, to earn their main revenue, TV rights. Clearly everything on the football side must be to a very high standard to keep the sponsors, advertisers etc. happy but I don't think it can be claimed the PL clubs have to do much beyond this meaning their revenues are largely meaningless - player values and wages have been driven up and up simply because there is more and more money being thrown at the game. If historically only half the amount had been offered by Sky et al player values and wages would be half what they are today. So in this sense it is Monopoly money as it has no real value.

The PL clubs choose to put the bulk of their earnings into today through buying any player they want and paying outrageous, obscene salaries. Money pours out of the game with scant regard for developing future talent through the more traditional, and perhaps more secure, routes. I suspect like me you're old enough to recall how a players would move through the divisions attracting increasing fees as they went, in this way revenues trickled down through the league helping to sustain clubs at each level. Players matured, gained experience and found their level. This simply doesn't happen anymore.

Instead we have the academy system which is closely tied to the loan system. The clubs invest millions in the early development of young players then, as they edge towards a PL first team squad, are loaned out for a season or two, to mature and show if they have the talent to make the PL. At this point the clubs who take the loan player become responsible for all the associated costs, take all the risk but gain none of the value. My club, Rovers, "benefits" from this system and we've been able to watch some wonderful footballers...........for a season and then we have to begin all over again making it extremely difficult to build a squad capable of winning promotion and maintaining a place in the PL. The PL clubs snaffle up all the young talent, farm them out to other clubs for a couple of seasons who pay their wages until the PL club decides if they're good enough or not. This works in favour of the PL clubs and denies lower league sides the opportunity to nurture and develop talent. At the same time clubs such as mine have to take huge gambles on players, last January Rovers gambled on promotion and didn't sell three players who then were out of contract in the summer. This summer Diaz has stayed as no PL club will match the asking price, doesn't surprise me, and we face the possibility he will sign a pre-contract in January, he'll be free next summer.

This example may be extreme and one I only fell across after chatting with a Coventry supporting friend. Todd Kane has played for both sides. Kane signed for Chelsea at under-8 level, he was with Chelsea for 18 years. Having signed his first professional contract in 2011 between 2012 and 2019 he was loaned to PNE, Rovers, Bristol City, Forest, NEC Nijmegen, Groningen, Oxford United and Hull before signing for QPR. I would argue if Chelsea believed in the player they should have invested seven years wages in him but instead chose to get eight (yes, 8) other clubs to fund his wages while a decision was made about his potential. As I say this could be an extreme example but for me it highlights the corrupt nature of the loan system. Kane is a journeyman and I feel it would benefit the game more if players like him developed through the older methods I describes above.

Basically the Academy and loan system exists to provide PL clubs a no risk opportunity to grab every potential player with no real benefit to the rest of the football league.

Did you feel the same way when Jack Walker was funding blackburn to the tune of millions up millions each season??? Paying 5 million for chris sutton way back in july 1994? And a record breaking at the time 3.6m for alan shearer in 92, before then selling him for 15m in 96…..

i mean come on, they were huge amounts of money back 30yrs ago……i mean, this is what the guardian wrote back then about you signing shearer and sutton, with the last line being the most significant.

“That summer Blackburn signed the most promising centre-forward in England, the 21-year-old Alan Shearer, yet although his goals and dominance ultimately inspired Rovers to win the Premier League in 1995 it was the signing of his striking partner Chris Sutton, £5m from Norwich, on reported wages of £10,000 a week, which was reckoned truly to have fuelled a new generation of footballers' wage inflation.”

 

[PaulSB]

Did you feel the same way when Jack Walker was funding blackburn to the tune of millions up millions each season??? Paying 5 million for chris sutton way back in july 1994? And a record breaking at the time 3.6m for alan shearer in 92, before then selling him for 15m in 96…..

i mean come on, they were huge amounts of money back 30yrs ago

A different situation. It was Walker's own money, there was no loan or academy system. The club was largely run on a very tight budget making a total loss over that period of +/- £25m - the level of debt when Venkys bought the club in 2010..

At the time the PL was in its infancy, two years old and in no way comparable with today's game.

 

[jowwy]

A different situation. It was Walker's own money, there was no loan or academy system. The club was largely run on a very tight budget making a total loss over that period of +/- £25m - the level of debt when Venkys bought the club in 2010..

At the time the PL was in its infancy, two years old and in no way comparable with today's game.

But you still broke transfer records and paid huge wages……..pot, kettle, black springs to mind.

 

[PaulSB]

But you still broke transfer records and paid huge wages……..pot, kettle, black springs to mind.

I have found in my life as one sees situations change, things evolve one changes one's view. I suspect this would be a new experience for yourself. As I have already commented the PL was in its' infancy, the money involved at Ewood was private and much of that I commented on didn't exist at the time. I perhaps should add the players you highlighted, along with all of that team, were sold over a few years, creating revenue for the club and an example of the more traditional approach clubs took.

Rovers did not hold players under contract for seven years, loaning them out for other clubs to take financial responsibility for and eventually discarding them as not good enough. We paid our way in this respect. If you took a little while to consider the points I raised you might come up with a discussion rather than a rather silly pot, kettle, black remark.......................

 

[jowwy]

I have found in my life as one sees situations change, things evolve one changes one's view. I suspect this would be a new experience for yourself. As I have already commented the PL was in its' infancy, the money involved at Ewood was private and much of that I commented on didn't exist at the time. I perhaps should add the players you highlighted, along with all of that team, were sold over a few years, creating revenue for the club and an example of the more traditional approach clubs took.

Rovers did not hold players under contract for seven years, loaning them out for other clubs to take financial responsibility for and eventually discarding them as not good enough. We paid our way in this respect. If you took a little while to consider the points I raised you might come up with a discussion rather than a rather silly pot, kettle, black remark.......................

Whether the league was in its infancy or not, you still spent big and spent huge wages......the loan system for players has been around for many years ( around 1966 i believe) so its hardly a new phenomenom is it..... and the money currently being spent is CLUBS money, no matter were it comes from. TV revenue is part of the game......so its clubs money to spend how they wish.

As for views change, yeh mine have.....the premier league is better than it ever has been and long may it continue. Maybe if rovers ever get back there, you will give back all the TV money you get and keep using venkey only money i guess. i mean you dont wan to be a hypocrit by spending tv revenue money and using the loan system for players now do you.

I mean, Its a good job the loan system is in place otherwise you wouldnt have had players like, this season....and harvey elliot in previous seasons.

Dont knock what your taking advantage of.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Anyway back to the Man U game , quite an entertaining game I thought . Arsenal a good side and will feel a wee bit aggrieved. Magire is still a scare story . First touch a booking . They look a much more solid unit in defence and McTominay appears to have had a rocket up the arris.

 

[PaulSB]

Whether the league was in its infancy or not, you still spent big and spent huge wages......the loan system for players has been around for many years ( around 1966 i believe) so its hardly a new phenomenom is it..... and the money currently being spent is CLUBS money, no matter were it comes from. TV revenue is part of the game......so its clubs money to spend how they wish.

As for views change, yeh mine have.....the premier league is better than it ever has been and long may it continue. Maybe if rovers ever get back there, you will give back all the TV money you get and keep using venkey only money i guess. i mean you dont wan to be a hypocrit by spending tv revenue money and using the loan system for players now do you.

I mean, Its a good job the loan system is in place otherwise you wouldnt have had players like, this season....and harvey elliot in previous seasons.

Dont knock what your taking advantage of.

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I'm not sure how the PL being better than it has ever been qualifies as a change of view? If this is your changed view presumably you previously thought it a poor league?

I didn't suggest the money clubs spend isn't their money. I did state the money chose to put into Rovers was his own. Did you chose to ignore this?

Did you miss this bit?

My club, Rovers, "benefits" from this system and we've been able to watch some wonderful footballers...........for a season and then we have to begin all over again making it extremely difficult to build a squad capable of winning promotion and maintaining a place in the PL.

Why is it you are only able to engage in such an aggressive manner?

 

[jowwy]

I'm not sure how the PL being better than it has ever been qualifies as a change of view? If this is your changed view presumably you previously thought it a poor league?

I didn't suggest the money clubs spend isn't their money. I did state the money chose to put into Rovers was his own. Did you chose to ignore this?

Did you miss this bit?

My club, Rovers, "benefits" from this system and we've been able to watch some wonderful footballers...........for a season and then we have to begin all over again making it extremely difficult to build a squad capable of winning promotion and maintaining a place in the PL.

Why is it you are only able to engage in such an aggressive manner?

Theres no aggression in my post, if you read it that way, thats your problem not mine…..

so jack walker never used Tv revenue money to run blackburn rovers when he was in charge??? where did that money go then???
and whos money did roman abromivich use?? I believe it was his own……

your whole post is just full of holes and jealousy towards other clubs

 

[T4tomo]

Its wasn't a classic, but nice to get a win in the first Tees Wear derby for 4 years or so. #UTB

 

[jowwy]

Champions league is back tonight......who have United got in the first round of matches???

 

[Slick]

Champions league is back tonight......who have United got in the first round of matches???

Looking forward to tomorrow night, but under no illusions.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Ye gods that was painful.

Crap up front, crap at the back and very crap in the middle.

For sure with new players appearing almost every game this team will take a while to gel; but it is hard to watch.

Fair play to Dynamo Zagreb, they took their sucker punch chance and then defended superbly.

 

[GetFatty]

Just wow. I didn’t see that coming and I doubt Tuchel did either

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Just wow. I didn’t see that coming and I doubt Tuchel did either

Stunned here - thought he would be given more time.