The CycleChat Large SUV Owners Club thread

[Drago]

The adticle fails to mention that a few tyre extinguishers have received a good kicking over the last year, which has dampened their ardour somewhat.

 

[GilesM]

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...-of-the-road-what-should-the-uk-do-about-suvs

These type of articles are so poor they really are unbelievable, does anyone really think I bought a Land Rover because I saw an advert of one driving across the desert.

 

[GilesM]

The adticle fails to mention that a few tyre extinguishers have received a good kicking over the last year, which has dampened their ardour somewhat.

I've always thought it could be a high risk game, I am sure there are a few unpleasant characters who drive SUVs, remember the main three guys murdered in the Essex boys murky world were in a Range Rover.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

These type of articles are so poor they really are unbelievable, does anyone really think I bought a Land Rover because I saw an advert of one driving across the desert.

Well, we all believe we're uniquely able to make decisions uninfluenced by adverts. But.

Does anybody really believe that marketing has no influence on potential customers?

 

[GilesM]

Well, we all believe we're uniquely able to make decisions uninfluenced by adverts. But.

I certainly know I am, perhaps if you find that Guardian article to be in anyway thoughtful, sensible and totally believable you are the type of person who is easily persuaded by others, but don't assume everyone else is, do you really think I'd part with as much cash as I did to buy my Defender because of Marketing men and their pretty adverts, interestingly I only saw an advert for the new Defender after I'd ordered one.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I certainly know I am

Everybody "knows" this for themselves, yet marketing continues to have a huge impact on sales. Funny old world.

Huge SUVs like the defender are a blight on our environment.

 

[GilesM]

Everybody "knows" this for themselves, yet marketing continues to have a huge impact on sales. Funny old world.

Probably according to Marketing people who want to keep their well paid jobs, and believing this fits in with your ideology, alternatively you could just accept that most products are sold because people like them. Not everything in life is complicated.

Huge SUVs like the defender are a blight on our environment.

That's a bit weak, at least tell me I'm killing polar bears.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Probably according to Marketing people who want to keep their well paid jobs, and believing this fits in with your ideology, alternatively you could just accept that most products are sold because people like them. Not everything in life is complicated.

Honestly, this is hilarious.

Your ideology is so strong, it has convinced you that marketing doesn't affect sales.

It's not complicated; if well paid marketing jobs could be eliminated without affecting sales. they would be, and companies that didn't do this would rapidly go out of business.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

That's a bit weak, at least tell me I'm killing polar bears.

I'm more bothered by you intimidating and killing cyclists and pedestrians. I think you're quite unlikely to encounter a polar bear, though perhaps all that marketing hype has convinced you otherwise?

 

[GilesM]

I'm more bothered by you intimidating and killing cyclists and pedestrians. I think you're quite unlikely to encounter a polar bear, though perhaps all that marketing hype has convinced you otherwise?

The rest of your nonsense is a wee bit sad, and if you want to believe I'm easily covinced by nice ads that really is up to, but what makes you think my driving is in anyway intimidating or life threatening to cyclists and pedestrians.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The rest of your nonsense is a wee bit sad, and if you want to believe I'm easily covinced by nice ads that really is up to, but what makes you think my driving is in anyway intimidating or life threatening to cyclists and pedestrians.

You can deny it to your heart's content, but marketing is effective.

On the other points, the existence of large SUVs on roads is intimidating to other road users.

As the Guardian article points out, that's actually one of the reasons they're popular - precisely because it's scary to be in a smaller, or no vehicle next to one.

The driving style of people in these is also an issue in that they make it easy to drive up kerbs and over roadhumps, and their (often extreme) power makes them rapid to accelerate. But even with a good driving style, they're still very intimidating and inconvenient to others, simply because of their size.

 

[GilesM]

You can deny it to your heart's content, but marketing is effective.

You cannot possibly know why I choose to buy a certain product, but I appreciate that you are unlikely to agree, and you are for some strange reason prepared to insist that you understand my decision making better than I do, don't you think that is a wee bit odd.

On the other points, the existence of large SUVs on roads is intimidating to other road users.

As the Guardian article points out, that's actually one of the reasons they're popular - precisely because it's scary to be in a smaller, or no vehicle next to one.

The driving style of people in these is also an issue in that they make it easy to drive up kerbs and over roadhumps, and their (often extreme) power makes them rapid to accelerate. But even with a good driving style, they're still very intimidating and inconvenient to others, simply because of their size.

Well done for reproducing the standard stuff, but you wrote that you are bothered by me intimidating and killing cyclists and pedestrians, don't you think that's a bit of a dodgy assumption to make about somebody you don't know, not to add a bit of a slur on my character.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

You cannot possibly know why I choose to buy a certain product, but I appreciate that you are unlikely to agree, and you are for some strange reason prepared to insist that you understand my decision making better than I do, don't you think that is a wee bit odd.

Well done for reproducing the standard stuff, but you wrote that you are bothered by me intimidating and killing cyclists and pedestrians, don't you think that's a bit of a dodgy assumption to make about somebody you don't know, not to add a bit of a slur on my character.

If you really believe you are uniquely immune to the influence of marketing, I'd just remind you of Feynmann - "The easiest person to fool is yourself"

It's not a slur on your character to say that the vehicle you drive is intimidating to others, any more than it is to say that it has four wheels. It's just a fact - large SUVs are intimidating vehicles.

 

[GilesM]

If you really believe you are uniquely immune to the influence of marketing, I'd just remind you of Feynmann - "The easiest person to fool is yourself"

As previously mention, I really don't care what you believe is my motivation for buying stuff, it's really not important.
I know nothing of Feynmann, I always understood the man in the mirror was the person you couldn't fool.

It's not a slur on your character to say that the vehicle you drive is intimidating to others, any more than it is to say that it has four wheels. It's just a fact - large SUVs are intimidating vehicles.

You didn't say that, you actually wrote:
"I'm more bothered by you intimidating and killing cyclists and pedestrians"
Which is a bit OTT to say the least, and not exactly the most positive thing anybody has ever said about me.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

As previously mention, I really don't care what you believe is my motivation for buying stuff, it's really not important.
I know nothing of Feynmann, I always understood the man in the mirror was the person you couldn't fool.


You didn't say that, you actually wrote:
"I'm more bothered by you intimidating and killing cyclists and pedestrians"
Which is a bit OTT to say the least, and not exactly the most positive thing anybody has ever said about me.

TBF in context it was a fairly flippant response to your flippant polar bear remark.

But it is just true that driving these things intimidates others and they're higher risk in collisions. Should people pretend otherwise because you don't like it?