To stay within the quote block limits I have had to group your points. Can you please step away from the tsunami response mode in future and try and limit yourself to the most pertinent points?
1. Ah, ok. In that case everyone can skip reading any "research" you pick because it'll obviously not be what you think it is or is just a statement of opinion. Very nice of you to admit you have no evidence to support your claims.
2. Source? Evidence for causality?
3. Are you intentionally ignoring the part showing the commencement of the cycle network in 1997 is followed by significant positive impact on cycling counts trend, or did you have problems viewing the image?
1. Please stop selective quoting to twist what I say into something you can rubbish. I said I don't have time to go through all of them but picked the first two and a third as examples they were not what you claimed them to be. Perhaps you could come back on those ones specifically rather than distorting what I said. Or pick out your three best shots from the "research" you presented rather than trying to hid all the shortcomings in a tidal wave of information.
2. The source is the pdf you linked to showing identical upward trends in all modes of transport - cycling, walking, bus, taxi, motorbike, motor car - except HGVs which were banned from Dublin's centre from the beginning of 2007. Are you claiming that was coincidence or were they all caused by the completion of the cycle network two years earlier?
3. Ah the politicians ploy. When things are going south claim there was a decrease in the rate of decline and herald it as a victory. Is that what you are claiming, that building 320km of cycle tracks will slow the rate of decline of cycling by a percentage point or two. What happened to all those would be cyclists who are going to cycle if only they had a safe place to cycle away from the traffic?
4. That's all very interesting and yet the Cordon Counts you brought up as source show significant drop. Where's the evidence DublinBikes caused any increase in cycling at all, rather than getting people already cycling switch their bikes to DublinBikes? Where's the evidence the now completed cycle network plays no role in any of this?
5. Ah, another opinion. Or did you mean to link to some evidence proving causality?
6.
Greater Dublin Area Draft Transport Strategy 2011-2030 (do note the years) has another opinion and that is to continue to develop the cycle lanes and tracks and the network.
4. In a
user survey 56% had switched from other transport modes for a journey while 7% had switched from using their own bikes. The balance were making new or different journeys. So well over half the journeys were new cyclist journeys. How do I know the cycle network played no role? Well it was there before and after yet none of those people that started cycling because of the Dublinbikes had bothered to cycle on their own bikes previously.
5. No, they were extracts from the link you provided. Not sure what you were providing the link for but that's what it said.
6. Yes, the politicians who thought it was a good idea in the first place are not deterred by the evidence that it wasn't and press on regardless. Now why am I not surprised?
7. Oh, and according to
Dublin Cycling Campaign Infrastructure position document they're also supporting cycle lanes and the cycle network:
8. So far I have not yet seen any evidence to support the claim
not having cycle lanes or tracks causes bigger increase in cycling and safety than having them. Admittedly it's been a long thread so I may have missed some references, but given how you make it sound obvious there should be abundant research to support your claims. Am I right? Given the details you keep mentioning you've clearly researched all about it so you should have little trouble presenting your findings with supporting research.
7. You missed the bit ". DCC calls for an end to the construction of any more substandard cycle lanes: All substandard cycle lanes should be removed: such "facilities" are worse than nothing, and often put cyclists at increased risk of collision with a vehicle due to inadequate safe separation distances. Worse still none of these substandard facilities are 'flagged' by their designers as being unsafe so most cyclists are totally unaware of the risk of collision and injury and death in using them. Riders are lulled into a false sense of security. DCC calls on the DTO and local authorities to dismantle all existing unsafe and substandard cycle lanes."
8. Ah back to another trick of shifting the burden of proof. We are not talking about other measures, we are talking about your proposed methods. You are proposing we spend £1m/mile on cycle tracks of a quality that has not been so far achieved in practice anywhere in the UK and Ireland over some 70 years. It is up to you to demonstrate that it will lead to significant increases in cycling, not some minor slow down in the rate of fall, if such large sums of money are to be spent.
