Team BKool CycleChat

[gbrown]

Geoff, what happened (mechanical ?)

Just Bkool giving my KICKR a massive disadvantage, you and Rick came past me like I was standing still, I presume using momentum from the downhill bits that I just don't get on the KICKR.

Bit annoying to have a higher Watts/Kg on a steep climb and still get thoroughly whupped!

Never mind, don't want to moan, it's all good training and I knew the climb wouldn't suit the KICKR when I set it up!

I'll get you next week in the Velodrome ... oh no I won't as watts/Kg has no benefit there!

How about the week after ... oh that's a Handicap and catching you is a different matter to getting away from you!

How about the week after that ... definitely have you then!

Geoff (moan, moan, moan ...)

 

[RickB]

Just Bkool giving my KICKR a massive disadvantage, you and Rick came past me like I was standing still, I presume using momentum from the downhill bits that I just don't get on the KICKR.

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Was wondering what was happening as I'm usually well behind - it does seem the realtour was actually underrating my watts. Will have to get another couple of rides in to get the feel for it but well pleased with how it felt tonight. Didnt seem to get any slippage when standing either which I feared I might. Have the age old problem of the fan rubbing so must take the cover off and report that. Cant believe they are still shipping out machines with this fault!!

What firmware should my Bkool be on to be bang up to date?

 

[BILL S]

Sausage and eggs?

Eggs yes, but sausage is not good for the watts/kg.

 

[Randyberlin]

Eggs yes, but sausage is not good for the watts/kg.

Don't tell Lars' kid. He thinks that's what makes you an Englishman.

 

[BILL S]

Just Bkool giving my KICKR a massive disadvantage, you and Rick came past me like I was standing still, I presume using momentum from the downhill bits that I just don't get on the KICKR.

Bit annoying to have a higher Watts/Kg on a steep climb and still get thoroughly whupped!

Geoff, this track definitely had more of a momentum carrying affect than most, hence your extra disadvantage. Funnily enough though, Lars made more watts/kg than me but I beat him only just. We both have bkool pro's so any momentum gained should cancel out. However, what I reckon is that to a lesser extent its also how you produce and use the momentum and gears. Something I now have a fair bit of experience in with the bkool.

 

[LBHIFI]

Sausage and eggs?

I actually had sausage and eggs for breakfast, but also "leverpostej", best described as grinded pate'. It must have neutralized the sausage and eggs

 

[Randyberlin]

Geoff, this track definitely had more of a momentum carrying affect than most, hence your extra disadvantage. Funnily enough though, Lars made more watts/kg than me but I beat him only just. We both have bkool pro's so any momentum gained should cancel out. However, what I reckon is that to a lesser extent its also how you produce and use the momentum and gears. Something I now have a fair bit of experience in with the bkool.

I've been looking at cadence and it looks like you were around 100 on this climb. On another race You were 120! You know how to shift.

 

[BILL S]

I've been looking at cadence and it looks like you were around 100 on this climb. On another race You were 120! You know how to shift.

Well Randy I think my cadence is reading too high because I still have the old firmware that came with my unit. I was never able to get the update to work. I think the real cadence is 70 to 80. Bkool does help to see that slightly higher cadence can give the best and most sustainable power though.

 

[gbrown]

Just saw on the BBC program about fat that 2 minutes of hard exercise followed by 1 minute of rest, repeated 7 times (20 minutes in total) can double your fat burn for up to 24 hours following.

Going to have to program up a course on Bkool, or possibly the Wahoo App, to do exactly this and try it each morning.

My downward trend in body fat percentage has flat lined for the last few weeks, and I would like to get it heading downwards again!

Geoff

 

[Rayvon]

Just saw on the BBC program about fat that 2 minutes of hard exercise followed by 1 minute of rest, repeated 7 times (20 minutes in total) can double your fat burn for up to 24 hours following.

Going to have to program up a course on Bkool, or possibly the Wahoo App, to do exactly this and try it each morning.

My downward trend in body fat percentage has flat lined for the last few weeks, and I would like to get it heading downwards again!

Geoff

That's the one thing I miss from trainer road that Bkool should incorporate, interval training.

Looked at numerous article's on fat burning thou, they all varie between peoples metabolism from what I can gather.

 

[gbrown]

Lars made more watts/kg than me but I beat him only just. We both have bkool pro's so any momentum gained should cancel out. However, what I reckon is that to a lesser extent its also how you produce and use the momentum and gears. Something I now have a fair bit of experience in with the bkool.

Yeah, not only more Watts/Kg but also more Watts in total, so it can't be the few flatter bits making the difference, and he weighs slightly more than you, so I don't think that the downhill's would favour you either.

Not all Watts are equally effective, of course, for example when travelling at speed in the real world, a much larger increase in Watts is required to overcome the extra air resistance to go 1 mph faster, compare to when going much slower.

So if you do higher watts on the fast bits, and lower watts on the slow bits that would give a slower average speed than the same average watts where the higher watts were on the slow bits and the lower watts on the fast bits.

Power to overcome gravity is linear, power to overcome air resistance is exponential, so use the power going uphill.

I saw it explained once by comparing free wheeling down a hill and powering back up it with powering down a hill and free wheeling up!

Geoff

 

[gbrown]

Bill, I see the new Mountain Goat league has just gone live, exactly as predicted at 22h 02/04/15, the day after it was scheduled to start!

 

[LBHIFI]

Yeah, not only more Watts/Kg but also more Watts in total, so It's can't be the few flatter bits making the difference, and he weighs slightly more than you, so I don't think that the downhill's would favour you either.

Not all Watts are equally effective, of course, for example when travelling at speed in the real world, a much larger increase in Watts is required to overcome the extra air resistance to go 1 mph faster, compare to when going much slower.

So if you do higher watts on the fast bits, and lower watts on the slow bits that would give a slower average speed than the same average watts where the higher watts were on the slow bits and the lower watts on the fast bits.

Power to overcome gravity is linear, power to overcome air resistance is exponential, so use the power going uphill.

I saw it explained once by comparing free wheeling down a hill and powering back up it with powering down a hill and free wheeling up!

Geoff

Very interresting. Knowing about air resistance is exponential, my time trial tactics (I'm not a pro time trialer, but a logical engineer) so far has been to hold back a little at headwind, and saving the power for tail wind.
So what do you mean by fast and slow bits?
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Oh, slow bits are uphill, sorry it was getting late. Still, I'm wondering if the opposite applies when it comes to headwind/tailwind.
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[BILL S]

Bill, I see the new Mountain Goat league has just gone live, exactly as predicted at 22h 02/04/15, the day after it was scheduled to start!

It was doing some strange things with the dates while setting up but the new way of searching and setting up was a big improvement on what I was doing before. The dates are one day out of course but I'll settle for that. Might try the first one tomorrow.

 

[BILL S]

Yeah, not only more Watts/Kg but also more Watts in total, so it can't be the few flatter bits making the difference, and he weighs slightly more than you, so I don't think that the downhill's would favour you either.

Not all Watts are equally effective, of course, for example when travelling at speed in the real world, a much larger increase in Watts is required to overcome the extra air resistance to go 1 mph faster, compare to when going much slower.

So if you do higher watts on the fast bits, and lower watts on the slow bits that would give a slower average speed than the same average watts where the higher watts were on the slow bits and the lower watts on the fast bits.

Power to overcome gravity is linear, power to overcome air resistance is exponential, so use the power going uphill.

I saw it explained once by comparing free wheeling down a hill and powering back up it with powering down a hill and free wheeling up!

Geoff

This is indeed interesting because I don't think we often think about it in this detail. I think we do naturally save the most power for he up-hills where it is utilised more efficiently. I'm tempted to put this to the test to see exactly what the effect is by doing a ride in two very different ways, one with more power up hill and the other with more power downhill, but making the same average power for both.