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[AAAC 76C]

That's near enough what I have mounted on my turbo Paul. Canyon CF SL. I'm sure you'll have no trouble with customer services sending you a new bike but I will give you one word of warning. Do watch out for the steering geometry as it's incredibly twitchy if yours has the same steering head angle as mine. I've had horrendous speed wobbles before which seems to become apparent when cornering fast downhill or with cross winds at speed. I've never known anyone else to have one so at the moment it's just my opinion but it'll be interesting to see what you think. I remember not being able to go as quick as you and Adam on the ultra fast bits during the DD.

http://road.cc/content/feature/219888-how-cure-speed-wobbles

 

[Daddy Pig]

http://road.cc/content/feature/219888-how-cure-speed-wobbles

Go faster....

 

[AAAC 76C]

There is a hole in the box - possibly something pierced it in transit and did the damage. I have sent them pics of the box damage too

Top tip.
When ever you receive goods inspect the carton first for signs of damage and photograph it with the box sealed, then inspect the goods paying particular respect to where the damage in the carton is.

It was not so long ago when we received an aircraft part from our Contracted Logistics Team and the box was damaged and so was the black box inside.
The box looked like it had been hit with a fork lift prong.
They said one of our guys must have dropped it.
If you saw the damage to the black box you would have 'thought dropped it?' looked like he threw it roughly to the ground and then skated on it along a very rough bit of concrete.

 

[Daddy Pig]

Top tip.
When ever you receive goods inspect the carton first for signs of damage and photograph it with the box sealed, then inspect the goods paying particular respect to where the damage in the carton is.

It was not so long ago when we received an aircraft part from our Contracted Logistics Team and the box was damaged and so was the black box inside.
The box looked like it had been hit with a fork lift prong.
They said one of our guys must have dropped it.
If you saw the damage to the black box you would have 'thought dropped it?' looked like he threw it roughly to the ground and then skated on it along a very rough bit of concrete.

My BIL works in logistics at the same place... I wonder if he knows anything of it! Bloody expensive parts mind, makes a CF frame appear as cheap as chips...

 

[bobinski]

Paul, I feel your pain. All I have read elsewhere suggests Canyon will sort it for you. I absolutely love the Aeroad disc and that handlebar and stem- Aero for the win!

 

[BILL S]

http://road.cc/content/feature/219888-how-cure-speed-wobbles

I don't agree with their reasoning because my speed wobbles started when I got a new bike and rode exactly the same circuits in all the same conditions. It's definitely about the bike. My Trek is fairly stable at speed but the Canyon feels like its right on the edge at times.

Looking a bit online tonight I found this:

"I ride a Canyon ultimate cf slx and have been trying a cervelo r5, both are stiff bikes and climb well. The cervelo is soooo much more stable coming down, the difference is marked. I rode the same hill in quick succession on both bikes this pm, identical conditions, and the average speed on cervelo was 5mph higher and I was a lot happier.

The difference is a slightly longer wheelbase and relaxed head tube angle on the cervelo. But i suspect the carbon layup also plays a part as overall the bike is a lot less 'noisy' if that makes sense. It's far less reactive to changes in road surface, body positioning, etc."

 

[AAAC 76C]

My BIL works in logistics at the same place... I wonder if he knows anything of it! Bloody expensive parts mind, makes a CF frame appear as cheap as chips...

Not wrong, your often talking house prices for something that's not much more than a processor or a display.
Oddly quite often the chunkier things like castings are often relatively cheap unless they are titanium or magnesium alloys.

We sign of a few £K as if it was monopoly money because that is where out prices always are.
Got a real shock as few weeks back when a Supplier quoted us just £500 a piece for some modifications (slotting some holes basically) on some specialised lifting frames.
Almost snapped their arms off for a total order value of £6K thinking they must have missed at least one zero.

 

[AAAC 76C]

I don't agree with their reasoning because my speed wobbles started when I got a new bike and rode exactly the same circuits in all the same conditions. It's definitely about the bike. My Trek is fairly stable at speed but the Canyon feels like its right on the edge at times.

Looking a bit online tonight I found this:

"I ride a Canyon ultimate cf slx and have been trying a cervelo r5, both are stiff bikes and climb well. The cervelo is soooo much more stable coming down, the difference is marked. I rode the same hill in quick succession on both bikes this pm, identical conditions, and the average speed on cervelo was 5mph higher and I was a lot happier.

The difference is a slightly longer wheelbase and relaxed head tube angle on the cervelo. But i suspect the carbon layup also plays a part as overall the bike is a lot less 'noisy' if that makes sense. It's far less reactive to changes in road surface, body positioning, etc."

A longer wheel base and more castor will always make a wheeled vehicle more stable in forward motion but harder to manoeuvre so when i comes to machines for racing there is often a compromise.
Did you not have a query over the frame size for you as well?

 

[Daddy Pig]

A longer wheel base and more castor will always make a wheeled vehicle more stable in forward motion but harder to manoeuvre so when i comes to machines for racing there is often a compromise.
Did you not have a query over the frame size for you as well?

It will also depend on the fork angle and length of stem and bars, basically where your weight drops vertically from the bars. Is it in front of or behind the axel as this makes a huge difference in handling.

 

[theboxers]

currently 96th

 

[bridgy]

Paul, I feel your pain. All I have read elsewhere suggests Canyon will sort it for you. I absolutely love the Aeroad disc and that handlebar and stem- Aero for the win!

Do you have an Aeroad Bob? I very nearly went for one but decided on the Ultimate in the end as more of an all - rounder

 

[Daddy Pig]

@bridgy will be shaving his legs next for a bit more speed

 

[bobinski]

No, it's on list of bikes to replace my Giant. I have ridden a slightly too small one and it felt great and just looked superb.

 

[<Tommy>]

Aero frame's look great and the aeroads right up there for me personally.

But I've always thought that if you get one you're going to want it as a second bike rather than your one and only.

I've been up and down hills on them. Not canyon but a cervelo and an s works venge, and it's much more fun on my Tarmac. Having said that it doesn't stop me drooling over them!

 

[bobinski]

My reservation with the Aeroad is that I know someone who has had to send theirs back to Canyon 3 times. He loves it , says it's the fastest bike he has ridden apart from a Propel, but that's a lot of hassle. Still, many happy owners out there.
I am leaning towards Giant tcr disc or Caad 12. Or a Mason frameset.