Sorry, I just don't get it!

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The sad thing is there is no real terrestrial coverage that explains how it works to beginners and keeps it interesting for more experienced viewers. All we get is those fecking idiots Liggett and Sherwen speaking about castles and getting things wrong all the fecking time. And watching the end of a race is not going to get you accustomed to what happens, you need to see it all unfold...maybe next time a race is on TV you can ask things like "why is that team doing all the work", "why is that rider just riding behind the other one?", etc etc. and we can do our best to explain it.

i found watching entire stages of le Tour on Eurosport helped. seeing a bunch sprint doesn't make sense - but seeing how the sprinters' teams pull back a break and set up the sprint from about 20km, or more, out helped it fit into place.
 

Noodley

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This can be a pretty unwelcoming part of the forum for newbies as the start of this thread proves, a little time and explanation goes a long way.

What you really need is someone as patient, understanding and knowledgeable as me to come along and help out :girldance:
 

Scoosh

Velocouchiste
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Dare I suggest it but I see a comparison between cycle racing and ... cricket ! :ohmy:

Both are games of chess played out in the open; both have complex 'rules' or rules; both are quite different if you are racing/playing for 1 day/ a week or longer (tour/test match); tactics are in play all the time - the 'leading rider' is not always at the front/ the 'leading team' are not always apparently 'on top' ... ok, it's not a perfect analogy but I hope you can see a connection :unsure: .


Have you ever been to watch a bike race :bicycle: - amateur or pro ? There is an incredible feeling as the peloton rushes past - almost everyone is smiling, exhilarated by the speed, sound and sheer beauty of it - takes ones breath away. I have only seen very low-key races on the road but still 'caught it'. :biggrin:

As with any sport available on TV - if you don't 'get it' - and don't want to 'get it' - don't watch it . Simples. :huh:
 

rich p

ridiculous old lush
Location
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There's a lot of people who don't get sports. You only have to see in Café the number of people who hate football, cricket, golf ... - you name it!
To a certain extent it's possible that it just doesn't push the right button for you. In which case, move on, I suppose.
I have been a participant in various sports at an, albeit amateur level, and found the pro level fascinating or compulsive. I can see why people don't share my personal thrill at watching a 5 day Test Match draw to a compelling conclusion so maybe you should forget about cycling if you've tried and failed to find it gripping.
The thing is that nobody can explain to you in words why it's exciting or gripping - you can only do that by watching and getting involved.... or not.
 

JoeyB

Go on, tilt your head!
Well yes and no. I can watch races and I enjoy some competitiveness when out but it all seems so much more involved than who is the quickest. All the teams, tactics etc just makes it unwatchable for me.

Well if you only watch it once then it will be mind blowing. I watched the TdF for the first time this year, and I like you was initially blown away by everything going on...but the enjoyable bit for me was learning about it all!

I now know about the four jerseys on offer, I understand the various types of stage and the various types of rider strengths and weaknesses.

There is still loads i don't know about but I got hooked on it and was quite sad when it all finished.
 

Risex4

Dropped by the autobus
IMHO, cycling is a very strange sport in this respect with very few equals. Name another activity which has a professional organisation and has media coverage; football, rugby, tennis, snooker, darts... all of these things are by their nature competitive games. If you partake in them, you would probably be so inclined to follow the "pros" on the telebox doing the same.

Cycling is fairly unique in its active diversity; that it has a professional racing counterpart to an activity which for many is either a means of transport, or a leisurely and relaxing activity - quite the opposite of racing. If you don't cycle to "perform", then its perfectly fair that you might not "get" or be interested in the professional racing form of the activity. It'd be akin to saying if you drive a car then you should have an interest in motor-racing.

For what its worth, I've cycled on and off all my life, but I am only a recent convert to "pro-peloton" fan.For ages I didn't get it, the world seemed confusing and irrelevant to me, not helped by the fact that a lot of its traditions and language are based in its European heritage. Why would anyone want to watch a group of guys on the road for hours on end, especially when nothing appears to be happening, they are just riding along in a group.

It changed for me when I accidentally watched the first stage of the '07 TdF in London. My satellite box was broken and it was all I could find on TV that had the possibility of any remote interest. I gave it a bit of time, initially thinking of what else I could be doing, but then I saw my first ever attack and thought "hmm, maybe there's more to this". I then watched as multiple attacks came and were caught, all the time trying to understand what the commentators were on about. A few days later when out on my bike again, being a competitive soul I found myself unwittingly comparing myself to what I had seen and heard; top speeds, average speeds, distances, climbs etc. I then went back and slowly caught my first group sprint, winning breakaway, peloton-splitting mountain, autobus and so forth, and from there was hooked. It was then a journey (which I'm still on) to learn this strange language, the use of metric over imperial, a never ending stream of tactics (oh, that was intended, now I see) differences in races etc which as I've gotten deeper into the nuances of the sport, my enjoyment and appreciation has increased exponentially. Just a group of riders cycling along the road indeed.

It did take time. I fairly quickly figured out what the peloton was, it was only last year that it dawned on me that a bidon was a water-bottle! By the end of the '07 tour I got why on individual stages random people would be "winning" the day, but then not be anywhere near the top of the table (or general classification, I soon learned), or why conversely, the guys in GC contention weren't winning (and apparently unconcerned so) every day, but it took me another year or two to recognise the differences in respective cyclists' strengths, training regimes and season plans to understand why just because they had done well at le Tour, they weren't a shoe-in for the classics or whatever.

But thats just me. As I've said, I can quite understand why others just wouldn't buy into it.
 
I'm not really interested in any sport but sometimes watch big events - world cup, olympics, Wimbledon, etc. I quite enjoy the game but it's not like I wouldn't drop it to go to the pub if someone calls.

Cycling is the only real 'sport' I do, but it's purely a fun/recreational/health/commuting pursuit. Don't play football, tennis, rugby, cricket...

But you would then think that out of all the sport on TV for things I don't do, cycling would be the one I would maybe take an interest.

I've tried to watch the TDF and the cycling during the Olympis but I just don't get it!!

What am I missing here? Please don't take this as in anyway dismissive and no offence meant.

I used to row and loved every moment, but whether at HRR or Holme Pierrepoint, I found it utterly dull to watch and still do.

Rowing can produce drama (an extraordinary Oxford row-back approaching Chiswick Bridge some years ago and the great photo-finish by the Searles) but they are few.

Similarly, cycling can produce some great moments but much of it is dull to watch. As is chess, with which it has more than a little in common.

We've been biffed and robbed (up to a point) by TV. One used to pick up TdF reports on French radio and see the odd bit of highlight footage on George. The best coverage was in papers (L'Equipe and similar).

Now, we are expected to watch the unfolding of a stage over many hours in the way that once only a pro-team DS was able to. It is overkill and it is media-feed gluttony.

If you fail to be engaged or inspired by a live-feed flat stage or ITT as a visual experience, you are not alone.

The TdF is a wonder and a beautiful thing, but much of it is poor TV. Brave thread to start on these pages, but many who are watching today and saying it is the best thing ever will not be watching in five years.

Secretly, I quite miss hearing snippets on French radio and reading the stage results in the next day's paper.
 

Hill Wimp

Fair weathered,fair minded but easily persuaded.
The TdF is a wonder and a beautiful thing, but much of it is poor TV. Brave thread to start on these pages, but many who are watching today and saying it is the best thing ever will not be watching in five years.

Secretly, I quite miss hearing snippets on French radio and reading the stage results in the next day's paper.[/quote]


Totally agree. I found one of the ITV4 highlights of this years race still on my hardrive that i had forgotten to delete over the weekend. I watched it again and saw Froome re conquer Ventoux. Still haven't deleted it.^_^

Plus when i hear ITV4 daft TDF theme tune it always brings a smile to my face.
 
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Markymark

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2nd person to say 'brave'. I'm not being rude or questioning but just saying I don't get it!

Apologies if anyone is offended.
 

Noodley

Guest
...we are expected to watch the unfolding of a stage over many hours in the way that once only a pro-team DS was able to. It is overkill and it is media-feed gluttony.

You are not "expected" to watch anything. You are given the choice. I have an interest in watching entire stages as I like to see the race unfold, rather than the last few kms - even in the Tour coverage we only get to see the stage from when the TV company decides it's worth joining, usually when several breaks have formed and been drawn back and then one permitted to go, rather than the entire stage; although there are exceptions to this when we do get the full stage, which I think would be better for newcomers to watch as they would see the tactics and effort involved early in a stage.

In most races, however, it is sufficient to join the race at a point determined by the TV companies; the recent London/Surrey Classic was a great example of team tactics with the FDJ win, most of which was seen live. Newcomers would do a lot worse than watch a race such as this unfold.

Another "difficulty" for newcomers to pro racing is the diversity of events; it can be confusing, but imo it is worth sticking with.
 

Noodley

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2nd person to say 'brave'. I'm not being rude or questioning but just saying I don't get it!

Apologies if anyone is offended.

I can't see why it's "brave", I think most of the replies have been sensible and appreciative that pro racing is not everyone's cup of tea.

Maybe it's seen as "brave" by those who have never taken the time to explain themselves as you did, rather they have blustered in with nobber statements and expected not to get nobber answers.
 
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