Should/can he demand his money back?

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ACS

Legendary Member
I have to agree. The stand taken by the LBS is no longer reasonable and it is time to start applying pressure. Make an appointment with the local CAB asking to speak to someone who specialises in consumer affairs and ask them to mediate.

Depending on your financial position it may be worth obtaining a solicitor letter. Contact the Law Society to obtain the names of solicitors in your area that specialise in consumer law. (please note I am not a solicitor or advocate) In the long term this could be money well spent. Depending on the age of your son he may be entitled to legal advice under the legal aid scheme, but I think this may be a shot in the dark, but there is no harm in asking. It is a long time since I have had dealings with the Legal Aid Board and the rules may now be different.

You, acting on your sons behalf, can write to the owner of the LBS and state that based on his reluctance to take your complaint seriously and provide a prompt solution you now wish to reject the goods as not being fit for purpose and intend to return the goods and obtain a full refund including any reasonable expenses you have incurred. If possible deliver the letter by hand, if not post by recorded delivery so he has to sign for it, eliminating the old ‘I never got the letter’ excuse.

In your letter, state the date and time you will be returning the goods and request information about how he is going to return your funds. (5 working days is considered acceptable in law again it is a question of being reasonable).

If he ignores your letter that is not a hinderace to you proceeding. Arrive at the LBS at the date and time specified with your goods in tip-top condition, have a copy of the letter in hand and ensure that anyone in the shop can over hear your conversation. No screaming or shouting, just a firm determination not to be fobbed off yet again. You are there for your money back that is your objective. Stick with it and stand firm. The longer you stand the more customers he will lose. It will become a question of who blinks first.

Indicate in your correspondence that should he elect not to honour your statutory rights by accepting the return of the faulty goods, you will be left with no option but to raise the matter in Small Claims Court (easy to do) seeking full restitution, including all expenses incurred and recompense for stress and torment. This is your fall back position and must be your next course of action if your visit to the LBS proves flawed.

IMO the LBS is trying it on, stretching the time so that they can avoid accepting rejected goods thereby avoiding a dispute between them and the manufacturer / supplier, he is trying not to be left with goods he cannot sell as new or return to the point of origin, he is looking at a loss on this transaction and he is trying to avoid taking the hit for it. He may offer a credit note. Politely decline as not a suitable solution to you and by doing this may negate any future legal rights at your disposal.

I appreciate that writing a letter is a pain but for legal purposes if it is not on paper it not relevant.
 

domtyler

Über Member
You must be crazy, if this was me and mine it would have been sorted long ago. I don't think you are teaching your son a very good lesson here Paul, this particular bunch are taking him for a mug. Get back in there this afternoon and don't leave with your money.
 

Angelfishsolo

A Velocipedian
domtyler said:
You must be crazy, if this was me and mine it would have been sorted long ago. I don't think you are teaching your son a very good lesson here Paul, this particular bunch are taking him for a mug. Get back in there this afternoon and don't leave with your money.

Can I take it that you are advising a highly confrontational approach. If this is the case I feel sorry for you and yours. Once you lower yourself to bullyboy tactics you loose the legal and moral high ground. I was raised to think like you and it very nearly cost me my life.
 

domtyler

Über Member
Angelfishsolo said:
Can I take it that you are advising a highly confrontational approach. If this is the case I feel sorry for you and yours. Once you lower yourself to bullyboy tactics you loose the legal and moral high ground. I was raised to think like you and it very nearly cost me my life.

I don't want the legal or moral high ground, I want my f***ing money! :biggrin:
 

ACS

Legendary Member
domtyler said:
I don't want the legal or moral high ground, I want my f***ing money! :biggrin:

Just as well it’s not your problem then. IMO your advice is lacks creditability because it is based on emotion, its subjective not objective and lacks legal foundation. After all it is a matter of law.
 

Angelfishsolo

A Velocipedian
No doubt but there are ways and there are ways. An all guns blazing approach is the resort of a person who only knows one way to resolve a problem and that is through either the use of, the threat of or the implication of violence.
domtyler said:
I don't want the legal or moral high ground, I want my f***ing money! :biggrin:
 

domtyler

Über Member
Angelfishsolo said:
No doubt but there are ways and there are ways. An all guns blazing approach is the resort of a person who only knows one way to resolve a problem and that is through either the use of, the threat of or the implication of violence.

I don't use violence in any of the forms you mention in any area of life. Never needed to.
 

ACS

Legendary Member
domtyler said:
I don't use violence in any of the forms you mention in any area of life. Never needed to.

Yet by inference you accept the validity and condone the use of violence as an acceptable resolution. The law exists to protect the weak from the unjust. I have no doubt which camp you sit in.
 
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PaulB

Legendary Member
Location
Colne
Calm down everyone. I just went in and picked up his bike. Due to unfortunate and unrelated problems of the shop's owner and staff, they have had a difficult time lately and what they did was to put on a Sora front shifter as a temporary fix until the Tiagra comes in to them from Giant (who the problem can be traced back to). So we have a temporary and adequate solution to the problem.
 

Angelfishsolo

A Velocipedian
Fantastic news. I am very pleased that a temporary resolution has been found :-)
PaulB said:
Calm down everyone. I just went in and picked up his bike. Due to unfortunate and unrelated problems of the shop's owner and staff, they have had a difficult time lately and what they did was to put on a Sora front shifter as a temporary fix until the Tiagra comes in to them from Giant (who the problem can be traced back to). So we have a temporary and adequate solution to the problem.
 

domtyler

Über Member
PaulB said:
Calm down everyone. I just went in and picked up his bike. Due to unfortunate and unrelated problems of the shop's owner and staff, they have had a difficult time lately and what they did was to put on a Sora front shifter as a temporary fix until the Tiagra comes in to them from Giant (who the problem can be traced back to). So we have a temporary and adequate solution to the problem.

That sounds like a reasonable solution to me too.
 

515mm

Well-Known Member
Location
Carmarthenshire
yenrod said:
Go in the shop grab the b@stard by the scruff of the neck, knock 10x cans of sh@te outta him: then look him in the eye and say 'yuh give me my money back...

NOW

Think that should do it ! :smile:

Not funny at all yenrod. I do have a sense of humour, but not when threatened with violence. Retract your post by the end of the day or I WILL report you.
 

515mm

Well-Known Member
Location
Carmarthenshire
I would agree that five weeks to change a part that would take me (an amateur) 40 minutes to change, simply is not cricket. I would have asked about the possibility of a loaner at the time of the malfunction - and I would have been polite about it.

If it was a store that I, or any of my colleagues ran, then we'd ''sort out the customer first'' then worry about who pays for it later. If Giant didn't like it, we wouldn't sell their gear any more. If anyone in the future asked why, we'd tell them the truth. Our company have done this sort of thing several times in the past. (Yes, I do work in retail.) Manufacturers get the message pretty quickly when their sales team come round looking for orders and get only "No thanks. Nice product, rubbish customer service. We're not having your firm ruin our reputation."

It does sound as if your LBS have got the message now. As an aside, if your son had bought via the internet and the same fault occurred, how long would it have taken to get your problem solved I wonder?
 
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