I say de facto exclusion, you say not being given things exactly as you want. The end result is still the same. Some cyclists/potential cyclists are not prepared to use those particular roads. How do you address that?2260837 said:
The argument could equally be made to get rid of the cyclists and then the problem will not occur. You wouldn't agree with that though would you? The interpretation of the law was incorrect. The cycle path was blameless. Why should it suffer?2260608 said:
Reducing motorised traffic certainly has its place. How should I go about doing this on the A1 nr Morpeth which I avoid cycling on despite it offering the most direct route for some of my journeys?2260885 said:
Adrian. Just repeating this does not answer the point. Stop playing semantics/pedantics and tell us how you would encourage more cyclists to use A road NSL DCs that have no cycle provision. Thanks.2260957 said:
Those short sections (a few hundred yards I make it) where there is no nearby alternative - like the old pre-dual-carriageway A1 - are exactly the sort of roads which would benefit from a good quality cycle path.
Only as silly as your suggestion that getting rid of segregated cycle ways would also get rid of the problem.2260961 said:
There are certainly some segregated cycle ways which are a problem. For two reasons - because numpties think they're safe and convenient and should be used, and because they're utterly shite. My understanding is that the one that kicked off this latest spat (the one in Telford) is both shite and inconvenient.
And what about when they are excessively busy? Maybe give them a miss and use a longer alternative because they don't offer exactly what is wanted? Exclusion by another name is still exclusion me thinks.
I totally agree with you. This is just the type of road where I think segregated cycle paths should be encouraged.
And I refer you post #129 and note I still await an answer.2260988 said:
This may not be the argument as you and I see it but I also see some people who oppose segregation in any shape or form as the start of the end for cyclists right to the road. Well, if that road happens to be a 70+mph DC with a high density of traffic on it then count me out thank you very much. I will exclude myself.
I have given you an actual road and asked you to tell me how you would encourage cyclists to use it. Perhaps I should just use your example of avoiding something when there is not the willingness to face it and just go and find another route instead?2261030 said:
and sometimes we come up with good reasons why crap shouldn't be done. As in cycle paths.
show us the drawing
