Reforming the UCI

[oldroadman]

Ridiculous indeed. Unseemly scrabbling for position and credibility.

If you read what they (the UCI) are asking it's for input from national federations, teams and the like at a high level, in four areas of developing the sport, nothing to do with the inquiry. But that said, it is a very short timespan for submissions.

 

[johnr]

It also seems rather odd that they are avoiding fan input whilst claiming to be looking for ways to make the sport more interesting for spectators.

 

[Orbytal]

The timeframe for stakeholders is long enough.

If we take the view any/all people who have an axe to grind and calling for change should have a well enough developed idea what they wish to see and should be able to have this written and issued quickly, if not was it all hype and hot air?

All stakeholders know the system and how it works and if UCI did not do this they would be criticised but they have and some credit is due.

The main reason for this move, IMO, is to galvanise the movers and shakers into UCI and consolidate a move forward and remove any possible threat from a new federation emerging. It is a smart move and some may say the timeframe is short but I would answer them as I have above, if part of UCI, and tell them enough has been said put it in writing we are giving you the chance to be part of change and not just talk about it.

FANS not being involved was never going to happen as no changes would be made. Should a Fans forum be allowed? YES and I would suggest that all the Main Cycling Sites get together and host the same Polls for Common Feedback from a LARGE interested body of active Cyclists who invest in the Sport from Grassroots upwards.

CAN someone on here do something like this and maybe force a FANS Lead Forum towards UCI who may feel compeled to listen if the Likes of this Site, Velonews, Cycling news, Velonation etc are uniformed as 1 voice.

Good/Bad idea?

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Valverde says his doping ban helped extend his career. Is this a good thing or is he accidentally making the case for longer bans?

 

[Flying_Monkey]

If we take the view any/all people who have an axe to grind and calling for change should have a well enough developed idea what they wish to see and should be able to have this written and issued quickly

It shouldn't be about 'people who have an axe to grind', this is supposed to be a consultation about specific areas and not all national federations or other stakeholders are going to have considered these to the same degree or have had the time or resources to develop a well worked-out opinion in each area, and they certainly aren't going to be able to do so in 6 days. What this will mean is that only those 'with an axe to grind' or those with the resources (the richer national federations and teams able to employ lawyers and other specialist policy advisors) are really going to be able to put together something convincing in time.

 

[PpPete]

So the UCIIC wants input from CCN...
not sure which of the Terms of Reference in their Mandate CCN can really help with.... or indeed whether it is in CCN's best interests to cooperate ?

 

[Orbytal]

It shouldn't be about 'people who have an axe to grind', this is supposed to be a consultation about specific areas and not all national federations or other stakeholders are going to have considered these to the same degree or have had the time or resources to develop a well worked-out opinion in each area, and they certainly aren't going to be able to do so in 6 days. What this will mean is that only those 'with an axe to grind' or those with the resources (the richer national federations and teams able to employ lawyers and other specialist policy advisors) are really going to be able to put together something convincing in time.

You have described normal life in Sport, Business and Politics where the big and strong get their say and the smaller guys dont but are seen to be accommodated. If you give them 6 weeks the same results will prevail as it normally does.
My point about an axe to grind is if you dont have one then you wont ask for change so you need to grind an axe to negotiate for what you want or the status quo will result.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

You have described normal life in Sport, Business and Politics

I am very much aware of that. The thing is that I believe this should change and I don't think a kind of passive cynicism is the answer. We're at a tipping point in pro-cycling right now, where things could change. If too many people just shrug their shoulders and say 'that's sports politics' then you can be guarranteed that they'll be proved right because that's exactly how the status quo continues.

 

[Orbytal]

Lets see who makes waves and who dont.

I expect we shall see Hein go probably along with Dick Pound and changes as pointed out by the Commission implemented.
UCI will not be replaced by CNN anytime soon as too many of these guys who publically argue also feather own nests together as IOC members on the 2nd best gravy train in the world.

I also made comments about how can fans can raise a voice but you have not made any comments on this! You and many others want change and moan that you are not heard but dont say if this proposal is a good/bad idea as current you/me have no voice but I agree we have a place as an active part of the sport. If its bad what can be done to raise a voice?

No point moaning and offering nothing constructive for change is there?

 

[Flying_Monkey]

No point moaning and offering nothing constructive for change is there?

You're talking to the guy who started this thread precisely to generate some constructive ideas, mate.

 

[Orbytal]

I shall await the constructive bit from you then.

 

[rich p]

You're talking to the guy who started this thread precisely to generate some constructive ideas, mate.

I 'liked' your post even though it's precise meaning is lost to me since I put the usual suspects back on ignore a few weeks ago. It really does help in this particular instance!
I know it goes against the grain but it means the rest of us can have a sensible exchange of views.

 

[Flying_Monkey]

I shall await the constructive bit from you then.

It's a collective thing - or it should be. My contribution has been in starting the thread, providing some background and trying to keep it on the subject. I'm not quite sure what exactly you think you are contributing yet, but there is still time...

 

[thom]

WADA & USADA snub the UCI's Independent Commission on various grounds.

What has Lance told Oprah about those meetings in Switzerland and his old mates Pat and Hein ?

 

[rich p]

I hope Hein is quivering in his crocodile skin slippers and red velvet smoking jacket while puffing furiously on a sobranie in an ivory cigarette holder.