Red Light Jumping

[Raa]

Oh please!

Anyway we have the answer to one question

What benefits can be found in ignoring Red Lights? (General question not aimed at you.)

Here's 3 which work for me....


1, Managing ones pollution intake. I much prefer to have vehicles pass me when they are up to speed and cruising rather then when they are accelerating up through the gears belching out loads of crap. With the number of filthy diesels on the road, for me this is number 1, it makes my journeys so much more pleasant.

2, Minimisation of wasted time.

3, Minimisation of wasted energy.

All 3 are of course subject to the aforementioned considerations regarding: not getting hurt, not hurting anyone else, and not getting caught.

 

[dellzeqq]

Just one question; how do you know you are not reincarnated?

I don't prevail upon Mr. Paul's patience for page after page after page after page....

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I don't prevail upon Mr. Paul's patience for page after page after page after page....

 

[dellzeqq]

[QUOTE 1526195"]
Thank you for your acknowledgement that the legal aspect to red light jumping is important. It's very good to make some progress from where we were at the opening of this thread.
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it's not good. It might be a blessed relief, but it's not good. It's not even average.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

it's not good. It might be a blessed relief, but it's not good. It's not even average.

Apollo has come a long way. Lets be fair

 

[ianrauk]

Apollo has come a long way. Lets be fair

Through many red lights...

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Through many red lights...

 

[livpoksoc]

because it's a law of the road, you must obey it. You're a road user & shouldn't disobey the laws when you see fit. If you're at a red light @ 3am in your car, would you jump it? No...so don't try to state a difference between cars & bikes.

 

[martint235]

Here's 3 which work for me....


1, Managing ones pollution intake. I much prefer to have vehicles pass me when they are up to speed and cruising rather then when they are accelerating up through the gears belching out loads of crap. With the number of filthy diesels on the road, for me this is number 1, it makes my journeys so much more pleasant.

2, Minimisation of wasted time.

3, Minimisation of wasted energy.

All 3 are of course subject to the aforementioned considerations regarding: not getting hurt, not hurting anyone else, and not getting caught.

2 and 3 are just ways of increasing your exercise. And from what I've noticed of rljers in SE London, two things are true: they do need more exercise as a general; and if you want to save time pedal faster.

Plus a lot of rljers waste my time: I stop at the red light, they sail through. Light changes and within 20 yards I've caught them up. I then need to hang around behind them waiting for a safe opportunity to overtake. Next time it happens I'll just slap them on my way past (after all we can still pick and choose our laws can't we??)

 

[twobiker]

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Aside from recognising that you've intentionally not admitted to continuing with your red light jumping, as the recognition is irrelevant...

Thank you for your acknowledgement that the legal aspect to red light jumping is important. It's very good to make some progress from where we were at the opening of this thread.
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If the recognition is irrelevant why did you recognise it? or did you just want to type something ?

 

[Domeo]

"Beyond the mantra "its against the law therefore its wrong" does anyone have a compelling arguement why rljing is wrong in circumstances where it is safe to cyclist and others and causes offence to no-one. "

Because all the noobs and inexperienced follow others through red lights, not knowing any better and not having the accumulated skills to deal with any problems and wonder why they are dead.

 

[Dan B]

Because all the noobs and inexperienced follow others through red lights, not knowing any better and not having the accumulated skills to deal with any problems and wonder why they are dead.

Also an argument against filtering. And against cycling on busy roads.

(Which is not to dismiss it as an argument, but it's not a sufficiently good one to stop me from filtering or from cycling on busy roads)

 

[Domeo]

In some places it is illegal to filter through traffic on a bicycle. if that were law in this country, would you be arguing that every cyclist should obey?

Yes.

 

[Dan B]

Along with reincarnation

Often treated quite leniently on the first offence.

 

[Dan B]

Plus a lot of rljers waste my time: I stop at the red light, they sail through. Light changes and within 20 yards I've caught them up. I then need to hang around behind them waiting for a safe opportunity to overtake. Next time it happens I'll just slap them on my way past (after all we can still pick and choose our laws can't we??)

Hmm. I could make that argument against pretty much all cyclists when I'm driving. I overtake them, then when we get to the next lights they get to the front of the queue, by using bike lanes, bus lanes or filtering, and thus they force me to overtake them again.