rammed from behind, cops say your fault.

[steve6690]

I appreciate your point, but what would be the difference to contacting a rape victim and advising them about the dangers of walking home alone, along unlit streets?

There's a time and a place to offer advice.

In my opinion, when you have a victim in front of you, all you should be doing as a police officer is comforting that person, and reassuring them.

Whether what the police officer has said in this instance is sound advice, in my view it's misplaced.

The timing is unfortunate, but it would have been the last contact from police so there wouldn't be a future opportunity.

 

[glenn forger]

What are the police approved markings for the last car in the cortege, just so we can be sure to be aware of what's going on around us? Does it also apply to wedding corteges too?

Maybe an email to Notts police to seek clarification on the matter? Asking how, exactly, we are supposed to ascertain which vehicles are part of the procession, and do shrieky fishwives qualify?

 

[Hip Priest]

The cyclist is not to blame here. We should all take care not to insert ourselves into funeral processions, but he wasn't to know the red car was part of it, and he was only turning right anyway. Ultimately, the driver deliberately rammed the cyclist with his car, which is a criminal offence.

 

[steve6690]

What are the police approved markings for the last car in the cortege, just so we can be sure to be aware of what's going on around us? Does it also apply to wedding corteges too?

Just so we're clear - I don't agree that he should have been expected to get out of their way. I also don't see how he was supposed to recognise that the peugot was part of the cortege - not that I think it actually makes any difference. As I said, generally drivers should try to be aware of what's going on around them and be prepared to drive/ride defensively. I think it's clear from my post as a whole where I stand on this.
Incidentally, there was a complaint and the police have clarified that there was no blame, not even partial blame attributed to the cyclist and that the email was not intended to be taken as such.

 

[thegravestoneman]

As some one who has been to and officiated at far too many funerals, the hearse and two (limo's) can more often be seen travelling to the deceased's address from the Funeral directors (FD) for the start of procedings than actually travelling to the church/cemetery/crematorium (unless you live on a main route to a cemetery etc. So a hearse and two are not always 'on the job', Is the incident near the final resting place or some distance from one? Either way I cannot see that the cyclist did anything wrong. I have seen JCBs and all sorts caught up in a cortege and never a problem , if the cyclist was turning he would have been out of the way in no time and a good FD will always delay things until everybody is there. The family is always going to be a bit tense, but ignorance is ignorance which ever way you look at it and no excuse.

 

[Frood42]

Ultimately, the driver deliberately rammed the cyclist with his car.

 

[dodd82]

The timing is unfortunate, but it would have been the last contact from police so there wouldn't be a future opportunity.

If the timing is unfortunate, then don't say it.

If you really think the message needs making, then send it amongst literature as a gesture.

It's a silly thing to say and will only ever draw offence.

 

[br5968]

I'd be tempted to complain to the elected Police and Crime Commissioner - who are supposed to be there working to protect ordinary people's interests. Let's see them doing some work to address what - in any other walk of life - would be considered appalling customer service

 

[Milzy]

There really is no justice in this messed up country anymore. It pays to be scum more every year.

 

[apb]

it's all about me. get out of my way as what i'm doing is more important.

i, like most, have had my share of tragedies and when those tragic events come around there is always one that somehow turns the event and focus around to them.

The lady in this video reminds me of that personality, justifying her crime with her grievance. Pathetic.

 

[PK99]

I appreciate your point, but what would be the difference to contacting a rape victim and advising them about the dangers of walking home alone, along unlit streets?

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I would hope that someone raped while walking alone along unlit streets would be counselled about avoiding such situations in the future.

It was certainly part of the Victim Support training that I received that part of the role was to help Victims avoid becoming repeat victims - from helping a young kid understand that standing on a street corner, earphones in, texting on their iphone, might not be the best of ideas to helping a little old lady understand that faced with "I'm from the council and need to check...." letting a strange man into the house was not a good idea.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Just so we're clear - I don't agree that he should have been expected to get out of their way. I also don't see how he was supposed to recognise that the peugot was part of the cortege - not that I think it actually makes any difference. As I said, generally drivers should try to be aware of what's going on around them and be prepared to drive/ride defensively. I think it's clear from my post as a whole where I stand on this.
Incidentally, there was a complaint and the police have clarified that there was no blame, not even partial blame attributed to the cyclist and that the email was not intended to be taken as such.

In what way was he not riding defensively (enough).

I see no evidence of a lack of defensive riding and the tone of the email is therefore patronising in the extreme.

Drivers, including the one in the Pug have a duty to be aware of what's going on around them too, a duty to accept that riding the horn does not confer right of way nor is the horn a substitute for the brakes, and they should have to accept, via the courts, that ramming right turning cyclists deliberately, i.e. using a car as a weapon, should result in having their licence taken away for a very long time. And I write that as a driver as well as a cyclist.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

It is a common failing, both of our police and our courts, to view the use of a motor vehicle as a weapon as a motoring offence not as an act of violence of one sort or another.

and there can be few clearer examples of that failure, that I've seen, than in this case. Riding the horn for three seconds whilst your passenger is shouting and then ramming a cyclist. What part of 'accident' covers that?

 

[dodd82]

I would hope that someone raped while walking alone along unlit streets would be counselled about avoiding such situations in the future.

It was certainly part of the Victim Support training that I received that part of the role was to help Victims avoid becoming repeat victims - from helping a young kid understand that standing on a street corner, earphones in, texting on their iphone, might not be the best of ideas to helping a little old lady understand that faced with "I'm from the council and need to check...." letting a strange man into the house was not a good idea.

Fair point.

Though perhaps a bit different, in the type of communication that we're discussing i.e. an email from a police officer, rather than a support session.

 

[simon.r]

Is the incident near the final resting place or some distance from one?

The crematorium is about a mile further up the road.

As someone who drives much more than they cycle I can normally see the police / driver's side of these incidents, but I can't with this one. Leaning on the horn and then deliberately running someone off their bike is absolutely disgraceful, whatever the circumstances.