Pure White and Deadly - The Sugar conspiracy (or why the world's obese) ...

[classic33]

I've edited my post up thread

Oh, sugar isn't white by the way

Cane or beet?

 

[Wafer]

though I'm still right and your wrong

Feel free to explain the communities that have lived healthy lives on high meat/fat diets then. The kinds of people apparently glossed over and ignored in the research supporting low-fat diets.

 

[User482]

So they even put sugar on smoked salmon - blimey!!!!!

It's used in the curing mix.

 

[subaqua]

It's used in the curing mix.

Is that. A . TMN to me ?

 

[User482]

Is that. A . TMN to me ?

Sorry, missed your post. I should point out that I use sugar in my own curing mixes - it's not a commercial-only thing.

 

[phil_hg_uk]

why the world's obese

Oh my goodness

Look, the world is not obese through consumption of ****** sugar FACT!

Unrefined sugar (Brown) is perfectly OK within a normal person with a good diet

The world is obese through eating to much meat and dairy products, THATS WHAT MAKES PEOPLE OVERWEIGHT

Find me a overweight person, note OVERWEIGHT! on a diet with none meat/fish and dairy diet

Go to any country where the diet is mainly fruit and veg, find a overweight person, they are hard to find, these countries have hardly any dairy or meat in there supermarkets, the people look healthy and lean

Go to any country where the supermarkets are stuffed with dairy and meat, thats all the western world, and you'l find people overweight on every corner

Sorry for my rant, I've fixed some grammar and edited, though I'm still right and your wrong :P

I eat the same amount of meat & dairy as I did before when I was putting on weight, in fact I now use full fat butter now where as before I was using low fat spread, and I am still losing weight. I am more than happy to concede that I am almost certainly not totally correct about these things because I am not a scientist nor a doctor but I know what makes me lose weight & that is cutting out as many products with added sugar as I can & I have posted the information where I can find it that would seem to back this up.

So where is the information to back up what you are saying as I would be interested in reading that as well, I am open to any & all theories as long as it doesn't involve blood letting or sacrifices.

 

[growingvegetables]

Sorry for my rant, I've fixed some grammar and edited, though I'm still right and your wrong :P

Ummm - no, you're not right. End of.

 

[swee'pea99]

People are obese because they eat crap and don't exercise, end of story. The navvies who dug the canals lived on beer and steak and they were not obese - tough hard working yes - but not obese. Eat it, burn it. One visit to the gym a week isn't going to burn off quarter of a million calories. Don't have to eat grass and drink rainwater, match input to output and stop believing the bull.

Exercise, in truth, is almost irrelevant in the obesity epidemic. The key is your opener: people are obese because they eat crap - lots and lots and lots of it. And drink it too. McDonalds's 32oz Coke isn't even the biggest or worst example, but check out the sugar content:

That's 'a drink' that Americans have with their super-size meal, and it contains over 20 teaspoons of sugar.

People don't on the whole exercise that much less than they did in the '50s. Very few take - or ever took - the kind of exercise to make a dent in that kind of intake. The difference between then and now, overwhelmingly, is the intake.

 

[classic33]

I am open to any & all theories as long as it doesn't involve blood letting or sacrifices.

No excluding any measures, however daft they seem!

 

[classic33]

Exercise, in truth, is almost irrelevant in the obesity epidemic. The key is your opener: people are obese because they eat crap - lots and lots and lots of it. And drink it too. McDonalds's 32oz Coke isn't even the biggest or worst example, but check out the sugar content:

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That's 'a drink' that Americans have with their super-size meal, and it contains over 20 teaspoons of sugar.

People don't on the whole exercise that much less than they did in the '50s. Very few take - or ever took - the kind of exercise to make a dent in that kind of intake. The difference between then and now, overwhelmingly, is the intake.

Exercise can take a few forms. Manual labour is dying out, more "heavy" engineering these days would be considered workshop engineering by those who worked in the industry 50 years ago.
Some of the "hardest" work done was office work. The sheer boredom & repetitive nature

 

[srw]

Exercise, in truth, is almost irrelevant in the obesity epidemic. The key is your opener: people are obese because they eat crap - lots and lots and lots of it.

Simply not true.

People are obese because they eat too much full stop, and don't exercise enough for the amount they eat. No need to get all superior about people "eating crap" - you can become obese by eating too much natural yoghurt, muesli, quinoa and tofu. Or butter, steak, vintage claret and armagnac. Or even (though it would be quite difficult because you'd get bored first) kale and brown rice smoothies.

Of course it happens that in 2016 people in the West have easy access to `sugar and fat and processed foods that make it easier to eat too much, but that's not to say that obese people are obese because they eat too much crap.

As an obese, but extremely fit, person who has never eaten too much crap, and who exercises much more than the average person in this country, I think some posters need to get over their sniffy superiority.

 

[subaqua]

Simply not true.

People are obese because they eat too much full stop, and don't exercise enough for the amount they eat. No need to get all superior about people "eating crap" - you can become obese by eating too much natural yoghurt, muesli, quinoa and tofu. Or butter, steak, vintage claret and armagnac. Or even (though it would be quite difficult because you'd get bored first) kale and brown rice smoothies.

Of course it happens that in 2016 people in the West have easy access to `sugar and fat and processed foods that make it easier to eat too much, but that's not to say that obese people are obese because they eat too much crap.

As an obese, but extremely fit, person who has never eaten too much crap, and who exercises much more than the average person in this country, I think some posters need to get over their sniffy superiority.

Are you like me with a great resting heart rate and an amazing recovery rate.

We had a fit to work assessment as safety critical workers. The nurse who did the assessment started on a lecture about my BMI , then shut up when she did blood pressure , blood sugar level, cholesterol and heart rate/ recovery. I blew the marker out of the end of the spirometer too.

I love being fat n fit , but would love to lose the beer barrel in the middle

 

[srw]

Are you like me with a great resting heart rate and an amazing recovery rate.

We had a fit to work assessment as safety critical workers. The nurse who did the assessment started on a lecture about my BMI , then shut up when she did blood pressure , blood sugar level, cholesterol and heart rate/ recovery. I blew the marker out of the end of the spirometer too.

I love being fat n fit , but would love to lose the beer barrel in the middle

Yup. Resting heart rate between 55 and 65, lower if I've done lots of exercise recently - I've seen it as low as 48.

I've had every test going and the only thing against me is my weight.

 

[swee'pea99]

Simply not true.

People are obese because they eat too much full stop, and don't exercise enough for the amount they eat. No need to get all superior about people "eating crap" - you can become obese by eating too much natural yoghurt, muesli, quinoa and tofu. Or butter, steak, vintage claret and armagnac. Or even (though it would be quite difficult because you'd get bored first) kale and brown rice smoothies.

Of course it happens that in 2016 people in the West have easy access to `sugar and fat and processed foods that make it easier to eat too much, but that's not to say that obese people are obese because they eat too much crap.

As an obese, but extremely fit, person who has never eaten too much crap, and who exercises much more than the average person in this country, I think some posters need to get over their sniffy superiority.

But it is true. And I'm not getting sniffy. Nor am I pointing any fingers at any individuals. There are, as with most rules, exceptions. But as a rule, if you want to get to the roots of, as the thread title puts it, 'why the world's obese', you don't look at excessive natural yoghurt or vintage claret consumption, or lack of exercise. You look at the way immense corporations, mostly in America, but elsewhere too, have set about manufacturing foods carefully calculated to hit 'the bliss point'* and marketing them aggressively to consumers who want stuff that's easy, yummy and cheap (enough). It's turning one country after another into nations-of-blobs, vastly overweight and prone to life-threatening illnesses like heart disease and diabetes on an epidemic scale.

Most people who are obese are obese because they eat crap. Not all. But most. The overwhelming majority. That's not sniffy superiority. It's just a clear look at the facts. And I say again, the obesity rate hasn't risen by 133% over 20 years after rising barely a third in 30 due to a catastrophic falloff in exercise or a massive rise in yoghurt consumption. It's because country after country has succumbed to the allure of cheap(ish), easy, yummy food created in the lab by food scientists specifically to target pre-existing human fallibilities: essentially, our bodies' inability to say 'stop', faced with a 'bliss-point' combination of (generally, about 50/50) fat & sugar.

People who do that sort of thing with recreational drugs go to jail. People who do it with food get massive salaries and share options. Funny old world, isn't it. Funny and, increasingly, fat.

*Bliss point (food) In the formulation of food products, the bliss point is the amount of an ingredient such as salt, sugar, or fat which optimizes palatability. (Wiki)

 

[tyred]

If it tastes nice it's probably bad for you