Protein Drinks

[lulubel]

Whatever your reasons for being a vegitarian, it's hard to argue against 40,000 years of evolution: a vegetarian diet is not a balanced diet.

Obviously, I'm going to disagree with you. I said it was impractical to increase the protein in my diet, not impossible. The fact is, I'm part of a couple, and I don't have total control over my meals because I'm not going to refuse to eat what my partner wants because the meal doesn't have as much protein as I'd like to eat. So, I supplement because it's easier.

Humans don't need meat like other species of animals (cats, for example, can't survive on a vegetarian diet), so my reason for being vegetarian is so that animals don't have to die because I want - but don't need - to eat them.

A vegetarian diet can be perfectly balanced as long as sensible food choices are made. And that applies to any diet. There are plenty of people out there who eat meat, but are nutritionally deficient because their diet consists mainly of junk food. There are also healthy meat eaters and unhealthy vegetarians. Just don't try to claim that a vegetarian diet isn't balanced because it doesn't include one source of nutrients that we can get from other sources.

 

[Scilly Suffolk]

Sorry if I have caused offence, my post wasn't entirely serious, although I concede that it isn't obvious.

 

[caimg]

To back Jimmy up on this - aren't pulses a veggie's best friend? Lentils and beans are rammed full of protein and are a great natural source.

That said, I am also a protein shake user (to supplement), I've used them for years to help build and repair muscle.

 

[lulubel]

Sorry if I have caused offence, my post wasn't entirely serious, although I concede that it isn't obvious.

Thanks for clarifying, and sorry I was over-sensitive. Wasn't having a good morning

To back Jimmy up on this - aren't pulses a veggie's best friend? Lentils and beans are rammed full of protein and are a great natural source.

That said, I am also a protein shake user (to supplement), I've used them for years to help build and repair muscle.

Yes, they are, but protein powder is just more convenient sometimes. And my "protein smoothies" are also full of fruit and much more appetising than (for example) eating baked beans out of the tin for the sake of the protein!

 

[caimg]

Yeah I'm with you bro...shakes are fab but I'm afraid you come across a large degree of ignorance by those that have never used them or know much about them!

 

[Speedywheelsjeans]

http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/produc...in_concentrate_82___instantised_#.T0qY-HlkbV5

This is what i use.. cheapest, plainest and easiest to mix protein ive ever had. Its really well instantised, literally plop a scoop of it in 300ml of water, shake it up, chug it like a champ (No lumps unlike these horrid gimmicky flavoured shakes) and see increased recovery times and more lean hard muscle (with the correct training and diet of course). I use after hard training sessions with water and before bed with milk.... Enjoy..

 

[xxmimixx]

Chocolate mikshake has been found to be as effective as commercially available recovery drinks: links to studies in this thread.

As you don't like flavourings, just stick to milk!

You should be careful with protein supplements, as an excess of protein can cause health problems. Unless you're a bodybuilder or a top-class athlete, a balanced diet will provide all the protein you need.

This is a well researched piece (with proper studies as evidence) which should give those using protein supplements pause for thought.

thank you Jimmy and everyone else for your replies. I do love milk and drink a full cup a day (at least). I did read in the past as well that chocolate milkshake is just as effective is just that, is a bit 'heavy' to drink on the go and impossible to carry on a long ride in warm weather. I also read that Coke is also as good as any electrolytes specific drinks.

Another question then since you mention about drinking too many protein drinks. Would you constitute drinking one protein drink after every work out as excessive?

Also what is the place of energy drinks as opposed to protein drinks? Getting confused now...

 

[amaferanga]

thank you Jimmy and everyone else for your replies. I do love milk and drink a full cup a day (at least). I did read in the past as well that chocolate milkshake is just as effective is just that, is a bit 'heavy' to drink on the go and impossible to carry on a long ride in warm weather. I also read that Coke is also as good as any electrolytes specific drinks.

Another question then since you mention about drinking too many protein drinks. Would you constitute drinking one protein drink after every work out as excessive?

Also what is the place of energy drinks as opposed to protein drinks? Getting confused now...

I don't think you need to be drinking milk on the go - use it as a recovery drink after a HARD ride.

As for a recovery drink after every work out - what do you consider to be a work out as opposed to just a ride? For an hour or so riding at a steady pace you shouldn't need a recovery drink, but after an hour of hard intervals or a long ride then a recovery drink will probably be beneficial. Remember though that a gentle spin down on the bike and light stretching will also help recovery and cost nothing.

 

[xxmimixx]

I don't think you need to be drinking milk on the go - use it as a recovery drink after a HARD ride.

As for a recovery drink after every work out - what do you consider to be a work out as opposed to just a ride? For an hour or so riding at a steady pace you shouldn't need a recovery drink, but after an hour of hard intervals or a long ride then a recovery drink will probably be beneficial. Remember though that a gentle spin down on the bike and light stretching will also help recovery and cost nothing.

Understood

 

[Scilly Suffolk]

thank you Jimmy and everyone else for your replies. I do love milk and drink a full cup a day (at least). I did read in the past as well that chocolate milkshake is just as effective is just that, is a bit 'heavy' to drink on the go and impossible to carry on a long ride in warm weather. I also read that Coke is also as good as any electrolytes specific drinks.

Another question then since you mention about drinking too many protein drinks. Would you constitute drinking one protein drink after every work out as excessive?

Also what is the place of energy drinks as opposed to protein drinks? Getting confused now...

Like Amerferanga says, I'm not suggesting it as an in-ride drink but as a recovery drink.

I've not heard of Coke being good for anything except as a coin cleaner.

On the subject of excessive protein: if you read the piece I linked to, your questions will be answered.

 

[Daniel Davis]

Sorry, can you just sum up, when is the best times to have a protein shake? Should you have one before and after a big ride? Everywhere seems to be telling a different story....

 

[xxmimixx]

Like Amerferanga says, I'm not suggesting it as an in-ride drink but as a recovery drink.

I've not heard of Coke being good for anything except as a coin cleaner.

On the subject of excessive protein: if you read the piece I linked to, your questions will be answered.

hi I cant remember where I read the article as it was a while ago but this is one I found today after a google search

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/sports-nutrition-is-coca-cola-an-effective-sports-drink-713

also
http://cyclesportcoaching.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-coke-good-sports-drink.html

 

[Scilly Suffolk]

hi I cant remember where I read the article as it was a while ago but this is one I found today after a google search
http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/sports-nutrition-is-coca-cola-an-effective-sports-drink-713
also
http://cyclesportcoaching.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-coke-good-sports-drink.html

Thanks for that: very interesting.

It seems that it is the caffeine that produces the benefit; surprising that the carbonation didn't have any downsides; the only blot on the horizon being the possible effect of the phosphoric acid.

 

[amaferanga]

You often see Pros knocking back a can of coke towards the end of a stage or straight after it. Probably best mixed with water, but then it'd taste terrible.

 

[Herzog]

You often see Pros knocking back a can of coke towards the end of a stage or straight after it. Probably best mixed with water, but then it'd taste terrible.

Or mixed 50:50 with orange juice...rocket fuel, and it's not as bad as you think it'll be. I can't remember where I picked that up.