Police, primary and politness

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That's what you and the CPS are paid for.

One reason that people are losing respect for the police is that officers are not properly responding to offences such as this. You may see them as 'low level' but they cause injury to many people - and often significant injury.

There is clear evidence that actually paying attention to offences such as these, and dealing robustly with them, both leads to a reduction in more serious offences (as people don't go on to do worse as they've 'got away with' minor offences) and to an improvement in public satisfaction with policing.

As someone who is usually very supportive of the police (as many on here will tell you) I find your rather patronising and confrontational attitude (as that is how you are coming across) rather unhelpful. When my friends in the job next moan that the public don't seem to respect or understand them, perhaps I'll just point them in the direction of your postings, so that they get a glimpse of the reasons why....

An excellent post, User. I know we have differing perspectives on the Police, but on this we can agree.
 
One reason that people are losing respect for the police is that officers are not properly responding to offences such as this. You may see them as 'low level' but they cause injury to many people - and often significant injury.

Dooring is one of the top causes of cyclist serious injuries in London (8%) and just the other week we had a cyclists killed when doored under a bus on Edgeware Road. Its not a trivial problem.
 

Bman

Guru
Location
Herts.
:sigh:

Another CC thread goes the same way. :sad:

Yeah, it would be a shame to see this thread locked like the other few recently. It has potential.

Calm down people. We are all here for the same reason. We are cyclists. Lets stop assassinating characters and talk to each other like proper people. We wont get anywhere with petty bickering.

Im not even a mod here!
 

Ian 74

Active Member
Location
Wigton
Back to the OP good post and what not. Warms the cockles and puts a sympathetic human face to the blue machine.

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That's a fair summary. We both expect public servants to be properly resourced to do the job, but it is not unreasonable to expect people employed in public service to perform their duties appropriately.
 

Dan B

Disengaged member
No. It is possible to look and not see.

I'm sure we have all seen the gutter hugging cyclist 6 inches from the kerb who comes up behind a parked car pulls out tight behind and passes 6 inches from the car. It is perfectly possible in those circumstances to imagine the driver taking real care and still not seeing the cyclist who had "appeared from nowhere".



I'd have thought it takes really quite exceptional bike control to execute two tight 90% turns around the back of the car while moving at sufficient speed to have "appeared from nowhere".
 

pshore

Well-Known Member
I can see that the dooring incident mentioned would be difficult to prove in court. That leads me to the question about a Fixed Penalty Notice and points.

Could a FPN or points have been issued ? Or is that something that can only be issued by a traffic cop ? Would it involve less paperwork ?

The doorer could of course appeal if they felt strongly. Part of me doesn't like this as it reverses the burdon of proof and increases injustice.
 

Bicycle

Guest
It's all down to common sense, wich the police and a lot of drivers seem to lack.


I have dealt with the police on many occasions and have never found them (individually or as an organisation) to lack common sense.

I've sometimes disagreed with them but they've always been extraordinarily courteous to me - even when telling me that 100 mph is not a good idea with a new baby in the car (Oops!).

Some drivers might lack common sense, as do some cyclists.

This perfectly sensible discussion seems to have become something completely different and slightly unsavoury.

Well done the OP for raising the issue. I do apologise, we seem to have bollocksed it up and turned it into a slanging match.

Who saw that happening?
 

Norm

Guest
that allow me to razz around safely.

I rest my case
Following the clarification of the person who posted that, your case was presumably that police officers are allowed to have a sense of humour? And irony?

Thanks not only to the policemen on this thread, but to all of them. Yes, they are human, yes they don't always get it right but, by getting out there and getting down and dirty, they get a whole load more respect from me than any keyboard hero with a copy of a legal dictionary.

Well done the OP for raising the issue. I do apologise, we seem to have bollocksed it up and turned it into a slanging match.
Indeed.
 
OP
OP
CopperCyclist

CopperCyclist

Veteran
This perfectly sensible discussion seems to have become something completely different and slightly unsavoury.

Well done the OP for raising the issue. I do apologise, we seem to have bollocksed it up and turned it into a slanging match.

Who saw that happening?

Lol, no its not completely bollocksed up. I appreciate the positive suggestions and comments that have been a pleasure to read.

Also +1 to the person who suggested compulsory cycle training at school.
 
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