Police fining cyclist for breaking the law..

[Cubist]

I'd take it as a yes.

I think we should have a thread where we just type rude words - no reasons why we feel cross, just get it all out there without any mudslinging.

or one where we just type naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarghghghghghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

Bit of recreational swearing? Yep, it's very therapeutic:
https://www.cyclechat.net/

 

[Norm]

This is a good point...rather than turn off the lights, set them to flashing amber as suggested. Normal rules of the road then apply! Treat as a roundabout and give way to the right. Makes a great deal of sense really.

It was even easier than that, in Munich at least.

During the night, they turned off the lights on the "main" route completely and only had the flashing lights from the side roads. This means that anyone on the main route didn't have to even slow down across the junctions and anyone on the side roads would know, from the flashing ambers, that they'd have to give way. It also had the benefit of not having peeps burning fuel on a red light when there was no-one to wait for.The only downside, IMO, was that the lights would click as well, which was a pain if there was a set within 100m from your bedroom window.

In Sweden, they had lights which were 4-way red, and a car approaching from any direction would change them to green for a few seconds.

Having experienced both of those smart (IMO) solutions in the mid-90s, it's frustrating as heck that we are still in a backwater in this country. We shouldn't even need to be discussing the rights and wrongs of an RLJ at 3am, we should be asking why the freaking lights are still burning electricity and wasting petrol at that time.

 

[lukesdad]

Head on nail that last post Norm.

 

[Norm]

If you want to have the helmet discussion, Adrian, (especially if you are having it with yourself ) can you keep it to the appropriate forum. Thanks.

 

[Bicycle]

its not just about the pedals though , some nobbers don't have any reflectors. thats just suicide.

Oops!

I have no reflectors on any of my bicycles.

1. Where do I register as a suicidal nobber?

2. What is a nobber?

3. Many of the bicycles I see in my rural county and in London have no reflectors.

 

[gaz]

3. Many of the bicycles I see in my rural county and in London have no reflectors.

That makes the lot of us suicidal

 

[apollo179]

Fao qaz + afs
Re - Bicycles are different / special case.
Bicycles are different from other road traffic in their being more aware of their surroundings , they are not detached in a metal box with any associated sense of false security.
In the same way that jaywalking is not illegal in UK because common sense dictates that anyone who jaywalks will only do so when its safe the same logic applys to cycles at red lights : a cyclist will only rlj when it is safe because otherwise he/she will be dead.
Bicycles already are a special case :
The government has a policy to promote cycling.
Cycles are allowed to use bus lanes , cars are not.
C2work scheme.
Boris bikes and cycle lanes all over the country.
As part of a coordinated strategy to promote cycling as a prefered mode of transport more special provisions should be made to encourage cycling in the 21st century.
The governments proactive policy of promoting cycling combined with the differences inherent in cycles makes it wholly credible to advocate a less rigid approach to rlj which would create a welcome positivity around cycling that would hopefully make up some of the ground we have lost comparitively with our earopean neighbours regarding cycling.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Fao qaz + afs
Re - Bicycles are different / special case.
Bicycles are different from other road traffic in their being more aware of their surroundings , they are not detached in a metal box with any associated sense of false security.
In the same way that jaywalking is not illegal in UK because common sense dictates that anyone who jaywalks will only do so when its safe the same logic applys to cycles at red lights : a cyclist will only rlj when it is safe because otherwise he/she will be dead.
Bicycles already are a special case :
The government has a policy to promote cycling.
Cycles are allowed to use bus lanes , cars are not. Taxis Are
C2work scheme. Company Cars
Boris bikes and cycle lanes all over the country. Hire Cars and er road network
As part of a coordinated strategy to promote cycling as a prefered mode of transport more special provisions should be made to encourage cycling in the 21st century.
The governments proactive policy of promoting cycling combined with the differences inherent in cycles makes it wholly credible to advocate a less rigid approach to rlj which would create a welcome positivity around cycling that would hopefully make up some of the ground we have lost comparitively with our earopean neighbours regarding cycling.

None of that gives any credence to the argument that bicycles should be allowed to jump red lights.

 

[apollo179]

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That's not why jaywalking isn't illegal.
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Why isnt jay walking illegal ?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Why isnt jay walking illegal ?

Try this link

 

[apollo179]

None of that gives any credence to the argument that bicycles should be allowed to jump red lights.

Wrong.
You seem unwilling to consider any ideas other than your own blinkered ones.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Wrong.
You seem unwilling to consider any ideas other than your own blinkered ones.

Give me a good reason why the slowest form of road user should be able to run a red light and I will listen. You have not given a single good reason as to why this should be so.

 

[apollo179]

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That's a bit backwards isn't it? Laws are generally made in response to or anticipation of a problem.
Why isn't eating grass illegal? It's not because it was decided that it shouldn't be by the council that sit all day thinking up laws for all possible events.

As to the rest of the post, there's nothing there to justify making RLJing legal for cyclist. There's no need to imho.
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FTFY
Presumably jaywalking was made illegal in the usa as a response to a perceived problem.
The benefit of reviewing the rlj law for cyclists has been made - if you dont agree thats fine. Thats your opinion.

 

[Theseus]

FTFY
Presumably jaywalking was made illegal in the usa as a response to a perceived problem.
The benefit of reviewing the rlj law for cyclists has been made - if you dont agree thats fine. Thats your opinion.

In the USA the car is king and all else must bow to the mighty motor. Thankfully this is not the case here.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

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That sentence doesn't make grammatical sense.

The US is very different to over here, and we've got by far the better deal for pedestrians and cyclists.

If you'd just care to apply a bit of unbiased logic you'll see it clearly. Why allow rljing? Because it might up the average speed of some cyclists. Why not? Many reasons.
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