Police fining cyclist for breaking the law..

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Angelfishsolo

A Velocipedian
We were discussing the ignorance aspect.
If you have a problem with the ignorance aspect do something constructive like an epetition or lobbying parliament.

Cyclists that choose to ignore the law is another issue.
I am trying to point out to you that you may well be in the minority when it comes to ignorance.
The only cyclists I have met who are genuinly ignorant of basic road law have had some form of learning difficulty.
 

apollo179

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I am trying to point out to you that you may well be in the minority when it comes to ignorance.
The only cyclists I have met who are genuinly ignorant of basic road law have had some form of learning difficulty.

ROFL
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
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its not just about the pedals though , some nobbers don't have any reflectors. thats just suicide.
How is using 0 reflectors suicide? My bike lights are on par if not brighter than a mopeds lights.
Do other vehicle reflectors do anything when their lights are on?
 

Unclejohnsson

Active Member
Firstly its a European standard for helmet design/manufacture; EN 1078. The claimant routinely offers a discount of 20% following Froom but as you will know Whitwood wanted that increased. I do know the CTC got 15% thrown out in the case of Millet.

Is there an assumption that helmets should be worn? In 1999 the TDF pelaton rode bareheaded, but to see a rider descending without a helmet during this years' tour would be unthinkable. Although I wouldn't wish it upon anyone, a judge in a contemporary case will provide the last word on whether damages should be reduced or not. I suspect that as time goes by, and it becomes less accepted to ride without a lid, the defence of contributory negligence will become the norm (where the lack of helmet is proved to have increased injury).

 

Alun

Guru
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Liverpool
In 1999 the TDF pelaton rode bareheaded, but to see a rider descending without a helmet during this years' tour would be unthinkable.

The peloton actually rode" bareheaded" from 1903 until 2005, when it became compulsory to wear a helmet. It would be similarly unthinkable to see motor racing without drivers wearing helmets.
 

Unclejohnsson

Active Member
The peloton actually rode" bareheaded" from 1903 until 2005, when it became compulsory to wear a helmet. It would be similarly unthinkable to see motor racing without drivers wearing helmets.


A surprisingly rich vein of quality TV last Sunday night had the BBC screening a documentary on the subject of motor racing safty. Along with the dolphins and Mallory; tv gold.

 

subaqua

What’s the point
Location
Leytonstone
How is using 0 reflectors suicide? My bike lights are on par if not brighter than a mopeds lights.
Do other vehicle reflectors do anything when their lights are on?


yes, by definition they reflect the light back at the source of that light :hello: they are not just good in the dark they work well in poor visibility and can help you see a vehicle in which the numpty driver hasn't bothered to put any lights on to make them stand out from the mist drizzle etc. grey BT vans were an awful colour for merging into mist . silver cars are as bad.

have you never had a lamp fail or a set of batteries fail ? I have once and it wasn't fun. was more annoyed that the back up light had had the batteries removed by some tw@ in work "for a laugh"
 

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
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Firstly its a European standard for helmet design/manufacture; EN 1078. The claimant routinely offers a discount of 20% following Froom but as you will know Whitwood wanted that increased. I do know the CTC got 15% thrown out in the case of Millet.

Is there an assumption that helmets should be worn? In 1999 the TDF pelaton rode bareheaded, but to see a rider descending without a helmet during this years' tour would be unthinkable. Although I wouldn't wish it upon anyone, a judge in a contemporary case will provide the last word on whether damages should be reduced or not. I suspect that as time goes by, and it becomes less accepted to ride without a lid, the defence of contributory negligence will become the norm (where the lack of helmet is proved to have increased injury).

as Adrian says - it will be hard to prove, but, if proof were not required, it would still be hard to set a precedent based on best evidence. Especially now that the BMA has done a 180 on helmets.

And what I think yoiu're saying is that there is no caselaw
 

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
The peloton actually rode" bareheaded" from 1903 until 2005, when it became compulsory to wear a helmet. It would be similarly unthinkable to see motor racing without drivers wearing helmets.
it would be unthinkable because sporting bodies make the rules. There's not a shred of evidence to suggest that the TdF has become safer because of helmet use. Now, each and every one of us can have a view about the efficacy of helmets, but there's no prospect of helmets becoming compulsory in this country.
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
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South Croydon
have you never had a lamp fail or a set of batteries fail ? I have once and it wasn't fun. was more annoyed that the back up light had had the batteries removed by some tw@ in work "for a laugh"

I have 4 lights on the rear and 3 on the front. I think i'm pretty well covered ;)
 

Cubist

Still wavin'
Location
Ovver 'thill
Just had to post on this. Time they got their priorities right!

Apollo, perhaps you should take a ride into East London. You won't need to do any research, and your blissful ignorance of basic law and responsibilities will be spelled out to you. If you choose the "education" option, you could do us all a favour and stop posting bollocks!



"In an operation launched in Hackney last weekend, cyclists were stopped for ignoring road laws and to be given advice on riding safely. The cyclists who had broken the rules were either given a 30 pounds fine or the option of attending a cycling education event.

Cycle Task Force Inspector Graham Horwood said: “The joint MetropolitanPolice Service and Transport for London Cycle Task Force is committed to tackling anti-social road use including jumping red lights, cycling on the pavement and advanced stop lines.”

Metropolitan Police and Transport for London have created a team that is dedicated especially to promote cycling safety and educate road users. The campaign includes an ‘Exchanging Places’ event, which gives drivers the opportunity to swap places so they can gain an understanding of what being in the traffic is like for someone riding a bike.




Inspector Horwood said: “The Cycle Task Force will continue to organize targeted operations to encourage considerate, safe and lawful behavior from all road users."

 

Twigman

New Member
And there we have the current situation . Many people like you will choose to be informed about the law before going out on the road and study the law before hand.
Many will be like me and not do so.
If you have a problem with the current situation why dont you start an epetition to introduce a compulsory highway code test for cyclists.
But you have studied the law beforehand - you are a driver and must have passed a test on the highway code.
So you are not ignorant, merely choosing to ignore the law.
 
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