Police fining cyclist for breaking the law..

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subaqua

What’s the point
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Pot calling the kettle black? You jumped to a few conclusions about my post.

I highlighted the point that you said cyclin without pedal reflectors is stupid but you have yet to back that statement up with why.


I did make a statement as to why I think it is stupid. you dismissed it as weak.

Imagine if you got knocked off a bike after dark, with lights on, lots of light for that matter and no reflectors, car driver at fault and it goes to court for damages or even a prosecution for driving without due care etc and some smart ass barrister claims contributory negligence on your part as you didn't comply with the laws.

a stronger argument this time. or is it still weak according to the Gospel of Gaz :biggrin:
 

apollo179

Well-Known Member
If you really want to know about it that much, you would be better getting it from your own research than asking a bunch of strangers on a forum. So, yes.

Hi Touche :hello:
I had a little look and ive drawn a blank and cant discover what is the punishment for breaking the pedal reflector law.
Not sure what to do now or who else to ask. Mhhh
 

henshaw11

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Walton-On-Thames
<edit> - ah - where'd you find the £30/£60 thing ?

...second hit googling 'pedal reflector uk' comes up with:

http://www.ctc.org.u...aspx?tabid=4071 :

Abbreviated to RVLR: the Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 (amended in 1994, 1996, 2001, 2005, again in 2005 and 2009) require pedal cycles to have various lights and reflectors fitted, clean and working properly, when being ridden on a public road between sunset and sunrise. Cyclists may also be required to light up in conditions of seriously reduced visibility during the day, but only if they have functional lights already fitted. Lights are not required when the cycle is stationary or being pushed along the roadside.

It has to be said that the fine details of RVLR are seldom enforced; and provided you show some kind of white light in front and red behind you are unlikely to be challenged. If you are involved in a night-time accident however, any slight illegality with respect to your lights or reflectors may be regarded as contributory negligence. The following items are the minimum required, on a bicycle or tricycle, in order to ride it legally at night:

<snippage>


Pedal Reflectors
Four are required, coloured amber and marked BS6102/2 (or equivalent), positioned so that one is plainly visible to the front and another to the rear of each pedal.

<more snippage>

The Pedal Cycles (Safety) Regulations (PCSR) ensure that every new bicycle is sold with several extra reflectors, not required by RVLR, but (strangely) does nothing at all to facilitate the fitment of front and rear lamps. These additional reflectors are found on the sides of the wheels, clear white or coloured yellow, and there's also a "white" reflector on the front of the bike. You are at liberty to remove the front and side reflectors, but beware that there are some situations (albeit most unusual) where a front reflector might improve your safety, and be sure to fit the necessary front and rear lamps. <final snippage>

To put it another way, I don't think most people (Police included) give much of a toss about pedal reflectors in their own right - you might get a talking to for riding without *any* reflectors or lights, but I'd suspect that'd be more on grounds of general visibility rather than legality. It's only relatively recently that it's legal to use non-incandescent lights, yet cyclists were using LED lights for years before that without any Police attention..
 

Angelfishsolo

A Velocipedian
<edit> - ah - where'd you find the £30/£60 thing ?

...second hit googling 'pedal reflector uk' comes up with:

http://www.ctc.org.u...aspx?tabid=4071 :

Abbreviated to RVLR: the Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 (amended in 1994, 1996, 2001, 2005, again in 2005 and 2009) require pedal cycles to have various lights and reflectors fitted, clean and working properly, when being ridden on a public road between sunset and sunrise. Cyclists may also be required to light up in conditions of seriously reduced visibility during the day, but only if they have functional lights already fitted. Lights are not required when the cycle is stationary or being pushed along the roadside.

It has to be said that the fine details of RVLR are seldom enforced; and provided you show some kind of white light in front and red behind you are unlikely to be challenged. If you are involved in a night-time accident however, any slight illegality with respect to your lights or reflectors may be regarded as contributory negligence. The following items are the minimum required, on a bicycle or tricycle, in order to ride it legally at night:

<snippage>


Pedal Reflectors
Four are required, coloured amber and marked BS6102/2 (or equivalent), positioned so that one is plainly visible to the front and another to the rear of each pedal.

<more snippage>

The Pedal Cycles (Safety) Regulations (PCSR) ensure that every new bicycle is sold with several extra reflectors, not required by RVLR, but (strangely) does nothing at all to facilitate the fitment of front and rear lamps. These additional reflectors are found on the sides of the wheels, clear white or coloured yellow, and there's also a "white" reflector on the front of the bike. You are at liberty to remove the front and side reflectors, but beware that there are some situations (albeit most unusual) where a front reflector might improve your safety, and be sure to fit the necessary front and rear lamps. <final snippage>

To put it another way, I don't think most people (Police included) give much of a toss about pedal reflectors in their own right - you might get a talking to for riding without *any* reflectors or lights, but I'd suspect that'd be more on grounds of general visibility rather than legality. It's only relatively recently that it's legal to use non-incandescent lights, yet cyclists were using LED lights for years before that without any Police attention..
I didn't say it would be enforced. I got the info from a mate of a mate who is a cop.
 

Sheffield_Tiger

Legendary Member
Pedal Reflectors
Four are required, coloured amber and marked BS6102/2 (or equivalent), positioned so that one is plainly visible to the front and another to the rear of each pedal.

Just a thought

How does that affect recumbents where reflectors, if fitted, would surely be positioned more to the top and bottom of each pedal rather than front and rear?
 

henshaw11

Well-Known Member
Location
Walton-On-Thames
I didn't say it would be enforced. I got the info from a mate of a mate who is a cop.

I realise that - which is what I was saying too - I just wondered where you found what the fine was.

>How does that affect recumbents where reflectors, if fitted, would surely be positioned more to the top and bottom of each pedal rather than front and rear?

Well...you get the same pedals as an upright (if fitted) - 'cept birds, upper floor dwellers, bugs and roadkill are the only things that get to see them !
 

Twigman

New Member
I can honestly say that before i joined this forum i did not realise that it was illegal to cycle on the pavement or to cycle through a red light.

You are joking, right?
In a previous post you claimed that you used to drive. How can you not know the rules for cyclists if you have passed a driving test?
Did you not read the highway code before passing your test?


Are you as moronic IRL as you come across on here?
 

Twigman

New Member
Does this forum ever argue about anything other than RLJing?

It is just so tedious.

People defending RLJing are as much a scourge ob society as those defending the actionms of the rioters from a couple of weeks ago.
And there are way too many of them for my liking.
 
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