Police fining cyclist for breaking the law..

[apollo179]

Thats how it is anyway - inso far as if a police officer is having a bad day they are as likely to trouble you wether the law is as present or if changed to a "cycling without due care".
The change in law would have no affect regarding 2Looses pc having a bad day scenario.
You cannot legislate for anyone having a bad day.
I answered this before.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Thats how it is anyway - inso far as if a police officer is having a bad day they are as likely to trouble you wether the law is as present or if changed to a "cycling without due care".
The change in law would have no affect regarding 2Looses pc having a bad day scenario.
You cannot legislate for anyone having a bad day.
I answered this before.

You have provided no evidence for your statement "Thats how it is anyway". Is it based on personal experience, hearsay, so statistical data?

 

[ian turner]

This is turning into a bikeradar scrap

 

[Angelfishsolo]

This is turning into a bikeradar scrap

It seems like a straightforward discussion to me. In one camp we have a group saying "Good on the Police for getting tough on rouge cyclists" and in the other "Cyclists should be allowed to do what they want on the roads with no comeback"

 

[gaz]

This is why I described them thus
I did not say they mounted directly on to the pedal.

So from your experience of one pedal model you state that most if not all come with a reflector. But that is not the case!!

 

[barongreenback]

Would be interested to see comparative stats on cyclist road fines/prosecutions vs powered vehicle fines/prosecutions. It does sound here like there's a lot of bitterness towards police enforcement of cycling transgressions but by the same token, cameras do a lot of work for the police against drivers e.g. speed cameras, red light cameras, bus lane cameras, yellow boxes etc. To catch cyclists police will need human intervention.

 

[subaqua]

This is true! but you have to have 2 sides to any arguement (oops sorry debate)

On the subject of pavement cycling Dyfed Powys have stated they will not prosecute any cyclist for riding on one where riding on the carriageway could be deemed dangerous

A question to all the cycling safety Boffins. How many ride in clipless pedals without reflectors ?

that would depend on the date of manufacture of the bike. pre oct 85 ( I thinks0 and thje pedal reflectors are not a legal requirement . legality and stupidity are 2 different beasts though

decathlon stock the shimano clips that provide a reflector and a flat surface on one side. my btwin SPD pedals came with reflectors that clip in and still enable me to use either side of them

 

[barongreenback]

So from your experience of one pedal model you state that most if not all come with a reflector. But that is not the case!!

I have M-520s, A-520s and Speedplay Zeros that came in full retail packaging, none of which came with the pedal reflectors.

In fact, I'm just about to sell the A-520s if anyone wants them

 

[gaz]

that would depend on the date of manufacture of the bike. pre oct 85 ( I thinks0 and thje pedal reflectors are not a legal requirement . legality and stupidity are 2 different beasts though

decathlon stock the shimano clips that provide a reflector and a flat surface on one side. my btwin SPD pedals came with reflectors that clip in and still enable me to use either side of them

Why is it stupid to ride without pedal reflectors?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

So from your experience of one pedal model you state that most if not all come with a reflector. But that is not the case!!

I said it based on the fact that during a given period my mates who bought M520'sa and different SPD pedals all got the same platform.

 

[apollo179]

You have provided no evidence for your statement "Thats how it is anyway". Is it based on personal experience, hearsay, so statistical data?

Its based on common sense.
Changing the law from as it is to a "cycling without due care" law would have no significant affect regarding 2Looses pc having a bad day scenario.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Its based on common sense.
Changing the law from as it is to a "cycling without due care" law would have no significant affect regarding 2Looses pc having a bad day scenario.

OK then. So glad that the law will not change.

 

[apollo179]

OK then. So glad that the law will not change.

If you are satisfied with the mess of unenforced laws and grey areas that result then i pity you.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

If you are satisfied with the mess of unenforced laws and grey areas that result then i pity you.

I would like to see the existing laws more readily enforced. The move detailed in the OP is a great step forward. I await with interest to see how many people claim they did not know it was illegal to RLJ.

 

[subaqua]

If you are satisfied with the mess of unenforced laws and grey areas that result then i pity you.

are all laws grey until cases are brought using the laws and the usage is defined ? not sure . we need a lawyer on the boarsd . and not one of them legal aid whiners