Orbea Gain

[Pale Rider]

Thanks NickWi - that seems to be saying (1) best keep you battery level between 20% and 80% - with all that implies for range. Range quoted by Orbea for a full charge, 100km. Best charge level to keep your battery in top condition (ideally 20% - 80% = 60% of full charge) therefore range = 60 km? - and best to use low levels of assistance (3). Or am I misreading this?

Higher assistance levels - fast discharge - thrashes the battery, so service life will be longer if you only ever use lower assistance levels.

Having said that, the system is designed to be used, and it's impossible to sat how much impact using high assistance all time would have.

Probably not much.

It's true fully charging the battery stresses it, but how long the battery sits fully charged is also relevant.

If you could be bothered and have the time, you could do the last few per cent/hour or two of charging directly before you go out.

 

[Solom01]

Depending on your budget it may not be worth while to mess with it, but the amount of degradation is not unknown and it can be very substantial, take a look at the Grind technology site where I think they have some studies. If you drain the battery too deeply and recharge to 100% each time you can literally half the expected life of the battery.

Sorry, I meant Grin Technologies. Darn auto-correct.

 

[Widge]

I have shillie-shallied with 'Vaping' in recent years and became much involved with building my own 'mech' systems rather than electronically managed off-the-shelf battery units. as a consequence I became very aware of the 'potential' and dangers and vagaries
of using an unregulated 'raw' lithium battery set-up. No dramas ensued....but certainly an 1850 lithium can go horribly wrong in the wrong hands! I have a sneaking feeling that our eBike batteries might onlybe basically something like 20 1850s connected in series (But I'm often wrong in my ill-informed assumptions!) but even if not, i would trust there are some safety features built in way above my predeliction for 'mech' vapers!?

I am tempted to invest in a common-or-garden mains plug timer that I can set to cut the power supply after a set amount of time so I am not constantly fretting about how long the charger is pumping out its charge (say 3-5hrs) but note that the supplied instruction sheet says NOT to to turn the charger off at the mains before withdrawing the bike socket?,,,I wonder how crucial this protocol is?
Anyone else use a 'plug-timer'?

Just a thought.

Widge

 

[Widge]

PS...I have been riding up 1-in-4 (old skool!) hills around South Dartmoor that I have only EVER walked over the crest! Even when I was young and (kind-of) fit with a mountain bike! Can't ask for more than that.....and I still huff and puff a bit which can only be fitness enhancing? Allegedly??

W

 

[Storck]

PS...I have been riding up 1-in-4 (old skool!) hills around South Dartmoor that I have only EVER walked over the crest! Even when I was young and (kind-of) fit with a mountain bike! Can't ask for more than that.....and I still huff and puff a bit which can only be fitness enhancing? Allegedly??

What a lovely area to be riding around (if very hilly) Down the Teign valley, coffee in Dartmouth, suffer on the South Hams - wonderful.

 

[Scaleyback]

Well, it has been a couple of weeks now since my bike was taken off the road due to a displaced spoke.
I will update here as this info may prove useful to someone in the future ( I hope you never need it)
Yes, we could have approximated the spoke tension by testing the other rear wheel spokes but my LBS
https://www.dalesbikecentre.co.uk/pages/the-bike-centre who rent out and maintain lots of different e-bikes
say they often find e-bikes spokes too loose so we agreed to try and do it right !
The Orbea dealer I purchased from is 90 miles from me but I did talk to the shop mechanic, he didn't know the tensions,
couldn't find out and said he would "use his experience"
I contacted Orbea with my warranty info etc I explained my Orbea dealer couldn't help me and guess what ? . . . they referred me to
my Orbea dealer.
I also phoned a large Orbea dealership in Leeds, they said they would find out the spoke tensions and call me back. Never heard back from them ?
I 'discovered' (cannot remember where from) a contact for the Orbea UK Desk 'LCHOU@orbea.com Tel 01753 851111.
The LC in the email address is Lisa Chou. Lisa immediately replied to my email and asked me to " send me the bar code of the bike (on the underside on the down tube) just so I can get the exact model/year? "
This we did, and waited, and waited . . . . . Yesterday I called her and she was apologetic and blamed holidays She said she would find out that day
and call me back. She was true to her word and this is the information she provided:-

"our suppliers who won't provide us with this information" I'm speechless ! a case of the 'tail wagging the dog' ?

So my bike is still not fixed. LBS has the spokes on order and then will have to 'use their experience' to tension the spokes. Yes, I know
we have gone precisely nowhere.
I still love my D30 Gain and yes, this is a minor repair but the aftersales backup in this instance has been appalling. Heaven knows what may be
the experience if one of us has a major problem with the bike ?

Thank you for listening while I got that 'off my chest' I feel a little better now.

 

[Storck]

Well, it has been a couple of weeks now since my bike was taken off the road due to a displaced spoke.
I will update here as this info may prove useful to someone in the future ( I hope you never need it)
Yes, we could have approximated the spoke tension by testing the other rear wheel spokes but my LBS
https://www.dalesbikecentre.co.uk/pages/the-bike-centre who rent out and maintain lots of different e-bikes
say they often find e-bikes spokes too loose so we agreed to try and do it right !
The Orbea dealer I purchased from is 90 miles from me but I did talk to the shop mechanic, he didn't know the tensions,
couldn't find out and said he would "use his experience"
I contacted Orbea with my warranty info etc I explained my Orbea dealer couldn't help me and guess what ? . . . they referred me to
my Orbea dealer.
I also phoned a large Orbea dealership in Leeds, they said they would find out the spoke tensions and call me back. Never heard back from them ?
I 'discovered' (cannot remember where from) a contact for the Orbea UK Desk 'LCHOU@orbea.com Tel 01753 851111.
The LC in the email address is Lisa Chou. Lisa immediately replied to my email and asked me to " send me the bar code of the bike (on the underside on the down tube) just so I can get the exact model/year? "
This we did, and waited, and waited . . . . . Yesterday I called her and she was apologetic and blamed holidays She said she would find out that day
and call me back. She was true to her word and this is the information she provided:-
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"our suppliers who won't provide us with this information" I'm speechless ! a case of the 'tail wagging the dog' ?

So my bike is still not fixed. LBS has the spokes on order and then will have to 'use their experience' to tension the spokes. Yes, I know
we have gone precisely nowhere.
I still love my D30 Gain and yes, this is a minor repair but the aftersales backup in this instance has been appalling. Heaven knows what may be
the experience if one of us has a major problem with the bike ?

Thank you for listening while I got that 'off my chest' I feel a little better now.

Can't help thinking, there is a real skill shortage around. Relayed this situation with my LBS. They have been building my wheels since the 60's. Pete's answer? Replace the spoke an true the wheel up "What's the problem"?

 

[Scaleyback]

Can't help thinking, there is a real skill shortage around. Relayed this situation with my LBS. They have been building my wheels since the 60's. Pete's answer? Replace the spoke an true the wheel up "What's the problem"?

So, I know nothing about spokes, is Pete saying the tension doesn’t matter ?

P.S

https://www.blog.dtswiss.com/spoke-tension/

https://cyclingtips.com/2015/08/the...nderstanding-the-importance-of-spoke-tension/

 

[Southernguns]

I am tempted to invest in a common-or-garden mains plug timer that I can set to cut the power supply after a set amount of time so I am not constantly fretting about how long the charger is pumping out its charge (say 3-5hrs) but note that the supplied instruction sheet says NOT to to turn the charger off at the mains before withdrawing the bike socket?,,,I wonder how crucial this protocol is?
Anyone else use a 'plug-timer'?

I use one. I would rather have it turn off at the mains rather than be constantly on for hours because I have forgotten.

 

[Southernguns]

I still love my D30 Gain and yes, this is a minor repair but the aftersales backup in this instance has been appalling. Heaven knows what may be
the experience if one of us has a major problem with the bike ?

I am still awaiting delivery of a new frame to replace my bent rear drop out. I was told it would arrive 2 Sundays ago. I am still waiting!!

 

[Storck]

So, I know nothing about spokes, is Pete saying the tension doesn’t matter ?

No not that. He's making the point, anyone who know's anything about wheel building, dhould be capable of replacing spokes tension and true the wheel by the feel of the other spokes. This guy used to be a mechanic on the old "Milk Race"

https://www.blog.dtswiss.com/spoke-tension/

https://cyclingtips.com/2015/08/the...nderstanding-the-importance-of-spoke-tension/

 

[Scaleyback]

anyone who know's anything about wheel building, dhould be capable of replacing spokes tension and true the wheel by the feel of the other spokes. This guy used to be a mechanic on the old "Milk Race"

Are all bikeshop mechanics "Wheel builders" or is that a bit specialised ?

Of course if my man uses the tension on the other spokes and they are loose as he suspects (this could explain why I am losing spokes and no-one else seems to be ?) then they will all be wrong . . . . . doh !

 

[Storck]

Are all bikeshop mechanics "Wheel builders" or is that a bit specialised ?

Of course if my man uses the tension on the other spokes and they are loose as he suspects (this could explain why I am losing spokes and no-one else seems to be ?) then they will all be wrong . . . . . doh !

Are all bikeshop mechanics "Wheel builders" or is that a bit specialised ?

Of course if my man uses the tension on the other spokes and they are loose as he suspects (this could explain why I am losing spokes and no-one else seems to be ?) then they will all be wrong . . . . . doh !

No all mechanics are not wheel builders. That is a speciality they would market separately. A decent wheel builder also uses their ears? They tune the wheel as you would a guitar string. Not only feeling for the tension, listening to it also.

 

[Storck]

I am still awaiting delivery of a new frame to replace my bent rear drop out. I was told it would arrive 2 Sundays ago. I am still waiting!!

Orbea it would rightly so, appear to be getting a bad rep, for poor after sales service. Both here and elsewhere.

 

[Smudge]

I am tempted to invest in a common-or-garden mains plug timer that I can set to cut the power supply after a set amount of time so I am not constantly fretting about how long the charger is pumping out its charge (say 3-5hrs) but note that the supplied instruction sheet says NOT to to turn the charger off at the mains before withdrawing the bike socket?,,,I wonder how crucial this protocol is?
Anyone else use a 'plug-timer'?

Just a thought.

Widge

Both of the chargers for my ebikes will go cold when the batts are charged and the charge light goes green, so i dont think its possible to overcharge most ebike batts. I also have no qualms about switching off at the plug before removing the charger plug from the batt, been doing it for years with no issues to my batts.
However i would never leave the batts on charge unattended, so i wouldn't need to use a plug timer.