Obesity

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Scaleyback

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It seems to me it is the widespread availability of food ( of all descriptions) that is the prime cause of obesity. No other species of the animal kingdom (that I can think of) suffer obesity, except 'man's best friend' and of course it is the dogs access to excess food via humans that is the cause. I can understand our canine friends overeating when access to food is available, they are unable to understand that their next meal etc is guaranteed. We humans do not have this excuse and yet even with all the health advice and dire warnings about what we are doing to ourselves a large percentage of the population continue to consume excess calories. Of course there are a myriad of contributory factors involved but the single overwhelming reason is the desire for food gratification and the lack of willpower to resist.
 
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I multipack bag of Walkers Cheese and Onion and a decent bottle of red....
I cannot comprehend what £27K of food looks like, our Morrisions shop of £80-90 covers our kitchen counter, imagining the amount 270+ times that or am I mistaken in that it was not a single delivery?
 

winjim

Smash the cistern
I cannot comprehend what £27K of food looks like, our Morrisions shop of £80-90 covers our kitchen counter, imagining the amount 270+ times that or am I mistaken in that it was not a single delivery?
It was over a period. Someone's worked it out at £800 a week I think. With the price of takeaway food, I could manage to spend £120 a night on takeaway. I mean obviously I couldn't because I don't have £120 a night to spend on takeaway, but it's a plausible amount of food.
 

Scaleyback

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Location
North Yorkshire
It was all going well up until this point, is alcoholism & drug addiction due to lack of will power?

Ultimately, yes. As I said with food there are many contributory factors but no one is 'hog tied, and forced to consume drugs or alcohol (well very few !) At the end of the day people make choices, whether to have that burger, that 8th pint or inhale/inject something. Sure change the laws, make sugar and alcohol expensive, bomb the poppy fields in Columbia ( all contributory factors) You will not remove the simple raw truth that most people choose these life altering decisions.
 
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newfhouse

Resolutely on topic
You will not remove the simple raw truth that most people choose these life altering decisions.
1. It’s not always a conscious choice.
2. What makes them choose as they do?
Hint: it’s significantly more complicated than you pretend.
 
"1. In countries where industrialised fast food has been introduced (France) obesity has increased."

Obesity has risen in almost every country in the world over the last 20-30 years. So it's pretty hard to claim there is a causal link to fast food.

http://publichealthintelligence.org/content/trends-overweight-and-obesity-country-level
Speaking as (ex-)scientist, I'd disagree; data collected from different experiments conducted in completely different conditions cannot disprove the results from another (in this case the French) experiment.
A scientist would view that as a clue that something else was happening; but it doesn't tell him that the French conclusion is wrong.
 

BoldonLad

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1. In countries where industrialised fast food has been introduced (France) obesity has increased.
2. The people who can least afford to eat takeaways eat the most.
3. Fast food is very gratifying. People who have a less pleasant daily life are more likely to seek easy gratification than those who have a more fulfilling daily existence.

This equates with personal experience, when I worked as a volunteer at CA, a Food Bank, and a Debt Advice Centre. There is a similar correlation with scratch card purchase, general gambling, and tattoo acquisition, in my (admittedly not statistically significant) experience.
 

battered

Guru
"1. In countries where industrialised fast food has been introduced (France) obesity has increased."


Speaking as (ex-)scientist, I'd disagree; data collected from different experiments conducted in completely different conditions cannot disprove the results from another (in this case the French) experiment.
A scientist would view that as a clue that something else was happening; but it doesn't tell him that the French conclusion is wrong.
It's our friend the "confounding factor" in science-speak. Put more simply "get used to the idea that there is generally more than one thing going on at a time" .
 

BoldonLad

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It's our friend the "confounding factor" in science-speak. Put more simply "get used to the idea that there is generally more than one thing going on at a time" .

Indeed. Taking another statistically insignificant sample, or 1 (ie me):

I was born 1947, into a "working class" household. Looking back as far as I can remember, we appeared to eat far more than now:

Breakfast : cornflakes or porridge
Lunch (we called it dinner): Walk home from school for something with chips (cooked in lard, in a chip pan)
Dinner (we called it tea) : Cooked meal with meat of some form with potatoes, vegetables, or, maybe a casserole
Supper (yes, we ate yet again!): toast and jam, or, maybe cereal

We never had coffee that I recall, but, tea came with two spoons of sugar, sugar was sprinkled on cereal liberally.

Fizzy drinks were almost absent (ie, one bottle of "pop" per week (I had two brothers).

Sweets, choclolate etc were almost absent, ie "a quarter of sweets, per child" once per week, if Dad had overtime that week, otherwise, zilch.

Activity levels were much higher, a one mile walk to and from school, twice a day (we came home for lunch).

We had no car, so, any outing involved walking/bus/train

Takeaway food, other than Fish & Chips were unheard of, and, were a treat, maybe 3 or 4 times a year.

I will stop there, it is getting boring

There was one fat child (a girl), in my primary school class of 44 children.

The contrast with my grand-children could not be greater, almost no activity, ferried to school and everywhere else, by car, fizzy drinks, sweets by the hour, although, strangely, they rarely eat what I would call a "proper meal". All 7 of them are overweight, one of them positively huge.
 
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Instead of a tax on takeaway food, maybe it's time to tax chocolate, fresh cream, bakery goods,
 
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