Nearly wiped out a whole cycling club

[glenn forger]

No idea, wasn't there, don't trust the account of someone who mentions irrelevances to have a dig at people on bikes.

 

[Dec66]

I was here (pretty much where the Google car was) about to take the next exit:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4...Z-MVfarhehyodK8IepsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Cyclists came from the exit road on the left, in a large bunch. Nowhere for me to go but stop, and quickly.

My main complaint is that if you do this when you are on your own, then fine, you might squeeze through ok, but you take the risk. But please don't do it if you are leading a group as you are going to get them killed.

I mainly posted here in the hope that maybe one of the riders might read this.

Hmmm. Case closed, I think.

Did the ride leader pile on and drag everyone else on?

 

[glenn forger]

Do you think you will ever recover?

 

[nickyboy]

As this is a cycling forum I guess it is to be expected that there is a certain element of pro-cycling/anti-car driving sentiment. As such I take some of the posts with a pinch of salt

However, in this case, having seen where this happened, there is very little to excuse what is just rank poor and dangerous cycling. The cars on the roundabout have priority so you stop and give way, regardless of whether other riders in your group have kept going

 

[glenn forger]

Or whether there's a muppet in a Ranger Rover up your backside playing with a mobile. I hate those sort of rab entrances, they encourage speeding, I'd imagine you have to take the lane. But still. Dab the brakes, the end.

 

[winjim]

As this is a cycling forum I guess it is to be expected that there is a certain element of pro-cycling/anti-car driving sentiment. As such I take some of the posts with a pinch of salt

However, in this case, having seen where this happened, there is very little to excuse what is just rank poor and dangerous cycling. The cars on the roundabout have priority so you stop and give way, regardless of whether other riders in your group have kept going

Trouble is, a rider in the middle of a peleton can't just put the brakes on at 25mph without the whole bunch crashing down. That's why the leader needs to consider the group as a unit.

 

[peedee]

Did the ride leader pile on and drag everyone else on?

Yes.

I was taken by surprise because they came down the inside of a queue of traffic that was stopped waiting to enter the roundabout. Hence, I didn't see them until the last second.

 

[nickyboy]

Well you could argue that it was the leader of the group that was at fault. Or it was those that followed him. The one person not at fault was the car driver already on the roundabout

 

[Tim Hall]

All this "it's my right to ride 3 abreast, if I want to" is a crock. As a cyclist, using a public highway, you have a responsibility to ride in a manner that doesn't inconvenience other road users, whenever possible. It's even in the guide, that is the Highway Code.

You, as they say, got a cite for that?

 

[PK99]

Each cyclist has a duty of care for themselves, and nobody else. Just because the ride leader has a clear, right of way, does not mean everybody following does.

Everyone has a legal duty of care to anyone who may me affected by their actions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_of_care_in_English_law

Gives the general overview, and specific to these circumstances:

Is it fair, just and reasonable to impose a duty of care; are there precluding public policy concerns?
There are a number of distinct and recognisable situations in which the courts recognise the existence of a duty of care. Examples include

• one road-user to another

Plus ctc ride leader guidelines : You have a duty of care to riders and the public...

 

[glenn forger]

Well you could argue that it was the leader of the group that was at fault. Or it was those that followed him. The one person not at fault was the car driver already on the roundabout

Apart from the pollution spewed out by his penguin-killing death machine.

 

[nickyboy]

Apart from the pollution spewed out by his penguin-killing death machine.

Quality

 

[briantrumpet]

Apart from the pollution spewed out by his penguin-killing death machine.

I don't like cars either, but not killing penguins doesn't make the cyclists' actions in this instance sensible.

 

[PK99]

Trouble is, a rider in the middle of a peleton can't just put the brakes on at 25mph without the whole bunch crashing down. That's why the leader needs to consider the group as a unit.

...and slow the group when approaching potentially hazardous junctions such as a roundabout.

 

[winjim]

...and slow the group when approaching potentially hazardous junctions such as a roundabout.

Indeed. I wonder if some of the riders were even aware of the cars on the roundabout. When you're in a bunch you're concentration is on the rider immediately ahead, and those either side. There's an amount of trust involved.

Edit: Just been back to the OP, and this particular group was only a dozen riders so my above comment is possibly not relevant. But for bigger groups it might be...