My rant about 'calorie deficit' b.s.

[bozmandb9]

You didn't mention GB155's blog. You let the side down.

By the way, I've read it, and watched the video(s), and have nothing but admiration and utmost respect!

 

[400bhp]

mmmmm pizza

 

[uclown2002]

Huge bottle of Pepsi Max for me

 

[PK99]

But to build muscle, it's essential to have good nutrition, so what worked best for me was when my P.T put me on a plan where I was on 2,500 calories, spread throughout the day.

2500 calories per day probably was a calorie deficit if you were working out with a personal trainer.

care to fill in a few more numbers:
Age
height
start weight
how many days a week working out and for how long.

(eg
age 55
5 ft 10
weight 220 pounds
working out 5 times a week
= maintenance intake of 2900 calories per day
and 2500 perday = Calorie deficit of 400 per day)

It would be interesting to see your numbers.



FWIW, I've had a pretty good diet for many years:
I do all the cooking. Every meal from fresh never any processed food, rarely use sugar in cooking, never bake, never have biscuits or cake in the house, fish at least once a week, chicken 2/3 times a week, regularly had non meat days. lots of pasta and rice, minimal us of oils and only the right ones. Lots of exercise 100-150 miles a week on the bike year round. I ate all the right things, i just ate too much of them.

Eating the same things with a calorie deficit (my way via the 5:2 diet) has produced a significant weight loss without increasing the amount of exercise i do.

 

[benb]

Great this works for you, fantastic, however plans like the Fast Die/5:2 ...

Personally I'd steer clear of a method called Fast Die.

 

[Rob3rt]

lol at this thread and at the OP! Seriously... never heard of carrot cake, lemon slices, fruit cake etc, combine cake mix with fruit and/or veg, nutrients + cake, yup! Now, eat one less slice of cake per day and calorie deficit is achieved, cake + nutrients + weight loss = the holy grail!

 

[bozmandb9]

Laugh all you like Rob, then tell me about your weight loss and athletic achievements?

Honestly, I give up, try to share a little genuine knowledge and just get abuse. How about this. Anybody believing in the 'calorie deficit theory'. You are very welcome to it, with my complements. Hope it goes well for you.

I do notice though, that nobody has given any attempt at answering my questions about the flaws in the calorie deficit theory.

 

[VamP]

Laugh all you like Rob, then tell me about your weight loss and athletic achievements?

Honestly, I give up, try to share a little genuine knowledge and just get abuse. How about this. Anybody believing in the 'calorie deficit theory'. You are very welcome to it, with my complements. Hope it goes well for you.

I do notice though, that nobody has given any attempt at answering my questions about the flaws in the calorie deficit theory.

That's because you sound like a nobber

Calorie deficit works. Deal with it.

 

[bozmandb9]

That's because you sound like a nobber

Calorie deficit works. Deal with it.

Did you just get out of school? Is that the most intelligent response you can come up with? Must be the effect of aspartame on the brain. Honestly my eight year old could come up with better than that!

 

[VamP]

And you sound like an evangelizing snake-oil salesman with nothing of genuine worth to offer. 5 pages of a thread with nobody wanting to buy whatever you're selling? No wonder you are getting desperate.

 

[bozmandb9]

I love it when people revert to vitriol and personal insults rather than responding to reasonable questions. I acknowledge I've challenged a belief you're very attached to, and clearly it's too challenging for you to consider it sensibly. Good luck with your calorie counting, and try not to get too upset by people offering genuine well meant advice on internet forums!

(Here's a little link on why you should avoid stress!http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=53304)

 

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

I love it when people revert to vitriol and personal insults rather than responding to reasonable questions. I acknowledge I've challenged a belief you're very attached to, and clearly it's too challenging for you to consider it sensibly. Good luck with your calorie counting, and try not to get too upset by people offering genuine well meant advice on internet forums!

So you respond by calling people stupid...

 

[bozmandb9]

So you respond by calling people stupid...

Where? I did certainly question whether a puerile insult was the best response, and challenge him to answer the questions I had put, but I don't recall calling anybody stupid. I don't revert to personal insults, don't really find it necessary, or productive.

I have tried to end this thread several times, all I can say is, if you really think calorie counting/ deficit works for you, then good on you, I'm happy for you, and wish you well.

I'm suggesting another approach which worked for me. I'm not forcing anybody to read, or follow my advice, and don't see why anybody should attack me for offering it. If anybody wants to debate the ins and outs sensibly I'm happy to do so, since I've done a lot of research, if not, let's just drop the subject.

 

[uclown2002]

To OP

Where? I did certainly question whether a puerile insult was the best response, and challenge him to answer the questions I had put, but I don't recall calling anybody stupid. I don't revert to personal insults, don't really find it necessary, or productive.

I have tried to end this thread several times, all I can say is, if you really think calorie counting/ deficit works for you, then good on you, I'm happy for you, and wish you well.

I'm suggesting another approach which worked for me. I'm not forcing anybody to read, or follow my advice, and don't see why anybody should attack me for offering it. If anybody wants to debate the ins and outs sensibly I'm happy to do so, since I've done a lot of research, if not, let's just drop the subject.

Please let's do; as VamP points out, no one is buying what your selling!

But good luck to you.

 

[PK99]

I love it when people revert to vitriol and personal insults rather than responding to reasonable questions. I acknowledge I've challenged a belief you're very attached to, and clearly it's too challenging for you to consider it sensibly. Good luck with your calorie counting, and try not to get too upset by people offering genuine well meant advice on internet forums!

(Here's a little link on why you should avoid stress!http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=53304)

You seem to have spent the whole thread arguing against a straw man of your own invention. Your point seems to be: Calorie deficit without good nutrition is a bad thing. No one has ever suggested it is a good thing!!

You say that what worked for you was a nutritious diet of 2500 calories while working out with a personal trainer. ie in your own words you were calorie counting. And, it seems to me very likely that, if you were working out regularly and building muscle, 2500 calories per day represented a significant calorie deficit from that needed to feed BMR plus exercise expended calories. After all, the best NHS advice is that "An average man needs around 2,500 calories a day to maintain his weight." Working out in the gym with a personal trainer took you out of the "average" category, with the direct implication that 2500 calories was a calorie deficit

Would you care to share your age/height/weight so that we can plug them into an online calculator and see for ourselves?

Also, you have not responded to my post earlier where I remarked that i have for many years had (if i may say so) an exemplary diet it terms of fresh, nutritious food with all meals cooked from scratch. I just ate too much. Only by continuing to eat exactly the same things but less of them did i manage to lose weight.

Ultimately, all weight loss diets work in the same way: Over time consume more calories than you burn and weight increases. Over time, consume fewer calories than you burn and weight decreases.