Motorsports Thread

[classic33]

They threatened to do it before.
Have they paid for them ? It seems as though teams switch to whatever best engine option is available .
Brawn now Mercedes were left without an engine when Honda pulled out . Mercedes didn't want to be linked with the McLaren Ferrarigate issue and so did a deal to supply engines . Honda are pulling out but Red Bull with continue manufacturing the engine .

McLaren were still supplied with Mercedes engines after "Ferrarigate".
Albeit a customer engine after Mercedes bought control of Brawn F1, prior to renaming it Mercedes.

 

[Illaveago]

Bottas has been a real letdown for Mercedes this year in my opinion . He may have set pole laps at times but during the race he has been out for an afternoon drive . In previous years the likes of Lewis Hamilton , Sebastian Vettel ,Aryton Senna have had to battle against their team mates as well as their opposition . They have also at times had them as support in fighting against their rivals . This year Bottas hasn't been near enough to compete . Next year if Lewis continues he should have someone on equal terms and perhaps someone to help fight the opposition .

 

[icowden]

Next year if Lewis continues he should have someone on equal terms and perhaps someone to help fight the opposition .

He has a 2 year contract and will therefore compete. His team mate will be George Russell, who, based on previous form, might well give him a run for his money.

 

[icowden]

The narrative for this entire season has been about Lewis good guy, patron saint of little lambs and good causes "Just wanting to race safely" ...
When Verstappen lunged inside at lap one, he was doing the same as Senna but Masa inexplicably allowed Lewis to keep the place despite cheating to get it.

Just a couple of points of order. The narrative has been about just how dangerous a driver Max Verstappen is (as usual) . Secondly Lewis didn't cheat to get the place. He was forced off the track (again) and rejoined in front of Max as a result of the attendant shortcut. Enquiries were then made of the stewards and race director as to whether the place should be given back. His team advised that it did not need to be as the advantage had been given back to Red Bull.

On the one hand I am with you on thinking that Mercedes should have been ordered to give the place back but can also see that, yet again, Max went for an unsafe undertake forcing Lewis off the track which is supposed to be against the regulations. This situation wasn't helped by Masi apparently applying the rule arbitrarily and letting some drivers get away with it sometimes but not other times. This is one of the points that Mercedes want addressed. If you have rules, they need to be followed. Otherwise it looks like you are trying to fix the result.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Hamilton had 3 choices - collide, cut the corner or brake. He was no more forced off the track than drivers are forced to overtake cyclists dangerously.

 

[matticus]

And a final thing to remember is

Oh lawdy, please make it so. But I've got 3 pages of this thread to catch-up with from overnight, so I'm not optimistic ...

 

[Alex321]

Hamilton had 3 choices - collide, cut the corner or brake. He was no more forced off the track than drivers are forced to overtake cyclists dangerously.

Braking that that point wasn't an option. He could have braked earlier, but there was no reason he should until Verstappen decided he was taking that space regardless of Hamilton being in it.

 

[FishFright]

Hamilton had 3 choices - collide, cut the corner or brake. He was no more forced off the track than drivers are forced to overtake cyclists dangerously.

If there was a gravel trap there Hamilton would have braked. I don't put this on Hamilton but on the way the rules have been handled since tarmac run offs became the norm , added to this Masi's random rules generator make it worth a go .

 

[icowden]

As I posted earlier the FIA are supposed to be looking in to race manipulation . The last race shows deliberate fixing ! Not only that but the the way in which gambling may have come into it . With odds of 8 to 13 for Lewis to win as opposed to 2 to 1 for Max to there is quite an incentive to make Max the winner !

I just read through Toto Wolff's statement. I thought this bit was pretty telling:

We cannot continue in a sport that is meant to be sport followed by entertainment and not the other way around.

 

[matticus]

I just read through Toto Wolff's statement. I thought this bit was pretty telling:

We cannot continue in a sport that is meant to be sport followed by entertainment and not the other way around.

What a dick. Since when was F1 purely "sport"? He was happy enough taking millions off the sponsors, and swanning round flash oil-funded circuits in dodgy regimes until now.

plenty of people have been robbed by dodgy official's decisions (and/or dodgy driving), and many more by sheer bad luck - suck it up!

 

[FishFright]

What a dick. Since when was F1 purely "sport"? He was happy enough taking millions off the sponsors, and swanning round flash oil-funded circuits in dodgy regimes until now.

plenty of people have been robbed by dodgy official's decisions (and/or dodgy driving), and many more by sheer bad luck - suck it up!

I can imagine how popular he isn't at Daimler A.G. at the moment.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

What a dick. Since when was F1 purely "sport"? He was happy enough taking millions off the sponsors, and swanning round flash oil-funded circuits in dodgy regimes until now.

plenty of people have been robbed by dodgy official's decisions (and/or dodgy driving), and many more by sheer bad luck - suck it up!

Yep - his team has just had one of the most flagrant injustices inflicted on it and all he can do is moan. Time were when t'referee would shoot us if we gave away a foul - and we were grateful, it were an important lesson in life death. Don't know they're born.

 

[Alex321]

What a dick. Since when was F1 purely "sport"? He was happy enough taking millions off the sponsors, and swanning round flash oil-funded circuits in dodgy regimes until now.

plenty of people have been robbed by dodgy official's decisions (and/or dodgy driving), and many more by sheer bad luck - suck it up!

He never suggested it should be purely sport. He said it should be sport first, followed by entertainment, rather than entertainment first, with sport very much second.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

He never suggested it should be purely sport. He said it should be sport first, followed by entertainment, rather than entertainment first, with sport very much second.

Otherwise it's Bake Off

 

[matticus]

Otherwise it's Bake Off

Or worse ... Top Gear!