Motorsports Thread

[figbat]

Whilst there’s no penalty that can be applied to Max, they could declare the race 1 lap shorter (hence give it to Lewis). However the time for that has long past - nobody wants to see the championship overturned now. But an admittance and apology wouldn’t go amiss, partly for Merc and Lewis but more for the fans.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

I think he said it around mid season. I think it might have been in reply to why they weren't doing so well .

https://racingnews365.com/mercedes-reveal-they-never-spent-their-2021-development-tokens

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Do the car's still run with a wooden plank underneath or has that gone now ?

It's now some sort of composite, not wood, but it's still there to regulate ride height.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Whilst there’s no penalty that can be applied to Max, they could declare the race 1 lap shorter (hence give it to Lewis). However the time for that has long past - nobody wants to see the championship overturned now. But an admittance and apology wouldn’t go amiss, partly for Merc and Lewis but more for the fans.

Were I a betting man (and I'm very much not, having worked for a betting company and understanding the odds) I'd say that one likely (most likely?) outcome would be the voiding of the last race result and removal of points. No change to WDC, where Max would win on victories (Spa!), but IIRC the WCC order might then change between Ferrari & Maccy L, precipitating another shitstorm, because that's where the real money is.

Or something else might happen

 

[Drago]

Whilst there’s no penalty that can be applied to Max, they could declare the race 1 lap shorter (hence give it to Lewis).

No, the race would then not be full race distance and would be void. End result is Max still wins.

 

[jowwy]

No, the race would then not be full race distance and would be void. End result is Max still wins.

Spa wasnt full race distance either, so a presidence has already been set that a shortened race result can stand……

 

[Alex321]

No, the race would then not be full race distance and would be void. End result is Max still wins.

The race does not become void just by not being full distance.

There have been a number of races in the past which have not gone the full distance (or time in a slow race). After two laps but less than 75% distance, half points would be awarded (which is what happened at Spa this season), and after 75% distance or more, full points are awarded.

 

[Drago]

Spa was settled prior to the end of the event, not days after, so the precedent has not been set. SPA triggered the half points rule - there is no similar "unwind the laps until there is a result that the complainer is happy with" regulation.

Toto can hardly complain about regulations being broken on the one hand, and then demand a result that is also not covered by regulations on the other.

The stewards have already ruled upon this.

Max is formally designated world champion at the FIA award event tomorrow, and thats the end of that. No mechanism exists to dethrone him after that, and no mechanosm exists to penailise him prior to that as he has done nothing wrong himself.

Mercedes have zero chance of lodging a complaint, having it considered and accepted, the FIA convening a panel and the entire case being heard, concluded and ruled upon before then (I'm sure that in the remote event that they tried to speed it through the RB lawyers would put on one hell of a fillibuster), so its over and done now. We may as well get used to it.

 

[Illaveago]

Anyone know what the bookmakers are doing at the moment?
Do they pay out or not?
Imagine putting a couple of grand on a Hamilton win at the start of the season. You’d feel totally robbed. Similarly if you’ve done the same for verstappen you’d want your money now.

I just looked to see what the odds were on either driver to win .
Hamilton 8 to 13
Verstappen 2 to 1
So if you had bet on Max you would have doubled your money .

 

[figbat]

Canada, 2018. The chequered flag was shown on lap 69 instead of lap 70. The result was originally given as the positions at lap 69 but later altered to those at lap 68. It didn’t change the top 10 but did impact who took the fastest lap.

 

[Beebo]

I’m sure Mercedes and their lawyers are just a clever as the collective brains on CC. They will realise the chances of overturning the result are very low and would produce negative PR. But they also appear to want to prove a point and show the world that they were hard done by.
Instead of a long drawn out court case it could be wrapped up fairly quickly with all parties including F1, FIA, Merc and RB making a joint statement saying it was a total mess, the title was won in the wrong circumstances, it was a shambles and we are sorry.
If Hamilton had suffered a puncture on the last lap, or a freak thunderstorm happened then I don’t think anyone would have an issue with a random act of god deciding the championship, but this manmade mishap just seems to be against natural justice.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I still don't think it was fair but Hey-Ho i'm over it now
It wasn't Verstappens fault that Masi was weak and though he won in dubious circumstances i congratulate him on being world champion.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

They're going to investigate it.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/994784/1/fia-launches-probe-contentious-safety-car-abu-dhabi-f1-finale

 

[Beebo]

They're going to investigate it.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/994784/1/fia-launches-probe-contentious-safety-car-abu-dhabi-f1-finale

I don’t think they are looking to investigate the actual result, just to have a debrief, learn lessons and report back to the teams.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

I don’t think they are looking to investigate the actual result, just to have a debrief, learn lessons and report back to the teams.

It's a pretty poor response tbh - seemingly it's our misunderstanding that's the issue