Motorsports Thread

[classic33]

Blue flags are only used when it is lapped cars that are being overtaken. It would be unfair if they were to hold up the first car or two because they weren't expecting them to be coming past.

Not always the case though. Used to warn the driver, with no diving out of the way to let the other driver/car past required.

 

[Alex321]

Not always the case though. Used to warn the driver, with no diving out of the way to let the other driver/car past required.

It is always the case that it is cars being lapped. And they MUST give way within a certain time - I think it is 3 corners - from first being shown the blue flag. Obviously sometimes the lapping car can just pass them easily with DRS on the straight, but in many cases, they are not at a suitable place for that.

Getting rid of blue flags could mean that lapped cars could have an undue influence on the race result.

 

[classic33]

It is always the case that it is cars being lapped. And they MUST give way within a certain time - I think it is 3 corners - from first being shown the blue flag. Obviously sometimes the lapping car can just pass them easily with DRS on the straight, but in many cases, they are not at a suitable place for that.

Getting rid of blue flags could mean that lapped cars could have an undue influence on the race result.

Not the case. There's a blue flag on the pit lane exit that's there for warning purposes only.

The three waved blue flags is a newer rule. Previously it was only a warning of faster car(s) approaching. The driver being shown the flag could let him past or make the following driver have to pass.

Too often it spoils a midfield race these days.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

It is always the case that it is cars being lapped. And they MUST give way within a certain time - I think it is 3 corners - from first being shown the blue flag. Obviously sometimes the lapping car can just pass them easily with DRS on the straight, but in many cases, they are not at a suitable place for that.

3 flags at 3 marshals posts although it's also on their dashboard

Getting rid of blue flags could mean that lapped cars could have an undue influence on the race result.

Precisely, that's the whole point in getting rid of them, maybe they'd have to rethink from of the circuits & hopefully kill Monaco off.

 

[Cerdic]

The current blue flag rule, which forces lapped cars to let the leaders past, was introduced in the 1990s.

Before then a blue flag was just a ‘warning’ that a faster car was catching you. The lapped car had no obligation to let the leaders through. The idea was that it was part of a top racing driver’s skill-set to be able to overtake slower cars…

 

[FishFright]

It is always the case that it is cars being lapped. And they MUST give way within a certain time - I think it is 3 corners - from first being shown the blue flag. Obviously sometimes the lapping car can just pass them easily with DRS on the straight, but in many cases, they are not at a suitable place for that.

Getting rid of blue flags could mean that lapped cars could have an undue influence on the race result.

Like Alonso losing a chance at the championship because of Petrov being a double wide Alan B.

I'd rather they gave up the Blue Flag rule as it could help push the aero a little towards overtaking rather than lap time.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

The current blue flag rule, which forces lapped cars to let the leaders past, was introduced in the 1990s.

Before then a blue flag was just a ‘warning’ that a faster car was catching you. The lapped car had no obligation to let the leaders through. The idea was that it was part of a top racing driver’s skill-set to be able to overtake slower cars…

Wasn't it at Senna's request he didn't want the plebs slowing him down

 

[gbb]

3 flags at 3 marshals posts although it's also on their dashboard

Precisely, that's the whole point in getting rid of them, maybe they'd have to rethink from of the circuits & hopefully kill Monaco off.

Monaco is a strange one. It's my favourite circuit from former glory years of F1. Something has changed (and i admit it might be me, F1 just doesn't do it for me like it used to) but it simply doesn't have the thrill anymore. Maybe its the old camera angles / positioning, the noise, the cars / drivers....but even Monaco doesn't excite me nowadays.
I suspect the cars are simply SO planted nowadays it's lost something. Speed itself just isn't enough, not if it makes it look 'easy' (and i know it's not easy but you don't get that twitchiness, the seesawing of the wheel nowadays, something that makes you realise just how hard it really is.
In essence, its maybe become 'sanitised' for want of a better word.

And for glory days, the battle between Senna and Mansell stands as one of the all time greats for me in those final laps there.. It still excites me to watch that.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

Monaco is a strange one. It's my favourite circuit from former glory years of F1. Something has changed (and i admit it might be me, F1 just doesn't do it for me like it used to) but it simply doesn't have the thrill anymore. Maybe its the old camera angles / positioning, the noise, the cars / drivers....but even Monaco doesn't excite me nowadays.
I suspect the cars are simply SO planted nowadays it's lost something. Speed itself just isn't enough, not if it makes it look 'easy' (and i know it's not easy but you don't get that twitchiness, the seesawing of the wheel nowadays, something that makes you realise just how hard it really is.
In essence, its maybe become 'sanitised' for want of a better word.

And for glory days, the battle between Senna and Mansell stands as one of the all time greats for me in those final laps there.. It still excites me to watch that.

Yes, something has changed, both with F1 and Moto GP, its not the same, and I'm not sure what is is.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

And for glory days, the battle between Senna and Mansell stands as one of the all time greats for me in those final laps there.. It still excites me to watch that.

But there was 0% chance of him getting past even then

 

[CharlesF]

Yes, something has changed, both with F1 and Moto GP, its not the same, and I'm not sure what is is.

Too commercial, too biased to TV.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

Too commercial, too biased to TV.

I don't think its that, its something to do the racing itself, I've found in the Moto GP its the support classes that are providing the better racing.

 

[Salad Dodger]

Yes, something has changed, both with F1 and Moto GP, its not the same, and I'm not sure what is is.

F1 has got too "scientific". Too much telemetry being monitored in the pits and live linked back to base where computers can run all sorts of calculations and real time the results back to the pit crews.
I am an old fogey, but I would ban all communications between driver or car and pits. Race Control may retain a dashboard warning system, but that's all. Then race strategy would be down solely to the driver.

For me, Moto GP has gone down a rabbit hole of aerodynamics and active suspension systems. I would do away with all of those, and simplify and standardise traction control. One setting. On or off. Up to each rider to decide when and how to use it.

I understand that all these suggestions go against the notion of the formulae being the most advanced, cutting edge technology. But when you end up with cars that can't pass without artificial (DRS) assistance, and bikes that can't follow close behind another one without cooking the front tyre, then something has got to change.

But, then, I am a bit of a Luddite.....

 

[Reynard]

And for glory days, the battle between Senna and Mansell stands as one of the all time greats for me in those final laps there.. It still excites me to watch that.

I was just praying for both of them to end up in the wall.

The Malevolent Little Gargoyle and the 'Orrible Little Man.

 

[Reynard]

F1 has got too "scientific". Too much telemetry being monitored in the pits and live linked back to base where computers can run all sorts of calculations and real time the results back to the pit crews.
I am an old fogey, but I would ban all communications between driver or car and pits. Race Control may retain a dashboard warning system, but that's all. Then race strategy would be down solely to the driver.

For me, Moto GP has gone down a rabbit hole of aerodynamics and active suspension systems. I would do away with all of those, and simplify and standardise traction control. One setting. On or off. Up to each rider to decide when and how to use it.

I understand that all these suggestions go against the notion of the formulae being the most advanced, cutting edge technology. But when you end up with cars that can't pass without artificial (DRS) assistance, and bikes that can't follow close behind another one without cooking the front tyre, then something has got to change.

But, then, I am a bit of a Luddite.....

This argument is as old as motor racing itself. You only need to trawl back through the archives to see the constant mutterings of "it's gotten too technical". And it's always been a team game, even if it's the driver who gets the glory.

They did try and restrict the radio comms between the pits and the cars a few years ago, but that only lasted one season due to the number of toys being thrown out of various prams.