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figbat

Slippery scientist
Would be a shame to have it start behind the safety car.
 

Cerdic

Senior Member
Mind, it's not many teams that now have a single title sponsor - the livery seems to have to accommodate all of them, which then results in the "explosion in a paint factory" look. Old F1 liveries - the Skoal Bandit RAMs, JPS Lotus, Leyton House March, Moneytron Onyx... I liked all of those. Oh yes, and the Benetton Ford from 1989.



The Napa Racing Fords are eyecatching enough, and I've always liked the Halfords orange & black. Shame Ting lost the Ginsters sponsorship, as that was a nice livery too.

Yes, I like the Napa livery. My son is a massive NASCAR fan and was very excited when the Napa deal was announced!

My main complaint about the Ginsters sponsorship was the promo/hospitality tent at the circuit. But could you actually get a pasty…
 
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Not sure I understand the subtle fine line between Virtual Safety car & Safety lies, to me all incidences today required a Safety car.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Not sure I understand the subtle fine line between Virtual Safety car & Safety lies, to me all incidences today required a Safety car.
Some of the teams/drivers are against the use of the Safety Car. They feel a VSC can be used for most incidents, where a car isn't on the track. And its fairer, in so much as it doesn't bunch the cars up on track.
 
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Some of the teams/drivers are against the use of the Safety Car. They feel a VSC can be used for most incidents, where a car isn't on the track. And its fairer, in so much as it doesn't bunch the cars up on track.

Yeah but, I can understand if there was just a piece of bodywork on the track & they needed to slow the race so that some brave soul can run out & get it, but today cars & marshals were on the track recovering cars, on 2 occasion covered by VSC & the other 2 by SC, to me they should all have been SC
 
I was just reading an article on Judge 13. It seems unbiased as the person seems to be in love with Red Bull and Christian Horner . :whistle:

The article is about the row brewing over the alleged breaches in budgets. I don't know if I read it correctly but he was implying that Toto Wolf was spreading the rumour that 2 teams had over spent their budget and that he had someone within the FIA who had leaked the information. The article basically says that it is sour grapes on behalf of Mercedes losing last year's driver's championship . The FIA aren't commenting apart from saying that they will release details soon . In a paragraph further down the article it says that a Dutch broadcaster claims that Red Bull and Aston Martin are to be fined over 7 million dollars each . If that is true then they must have discovered something amiss!
 

FishFright

More wheels than sense
I was just reading an article on Judge 13. It seems unbiased as the person seems to be in love with Red Bull and Christian Horner . :whistle:

The article is about the row brewing over the alleged breaches in budgets. I don't know if I read it correctly but he was implying that Toto Wolf was spreading the rumour that 2 teams had over spent their budget and that he had someone within the FIA who had leaked the information. The article basically says that it is sour grapes on behalf of Mercedes losing last year's driver's championship . The FIA aren't commenting apart from saying that they will release details soon . In a paragraph further down the article it says that a Dutch broadcaster claims that Red Bull and Aston Martin are to be fined over 7 million dollars each . If that is true then they must have discovered something amiss!

The FIA did comment and was scathing about those spreading "totally unsubstantiated rumours" . I think there may be repercussions , probably behind the scenes though.
 

Jody

Stubborn git
The article basically says that it is sour grapes on behalf of Mercedes losing last year's driver's championship .

TBF if overspend gives you an advantage and last years race came down to the last lap of the last race, you'd be pretty p*ssed too. Maybe those extra 10ths added up over the course of a season? 10 million dollars could give you a sizable advantage (or a lot of engineers for the year after :whistle:)
 

CharlesF

Guru
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As someone who gave up on F1 in the 80's; I seldom watch the highlights (although my wife does).

Yesterday, I had nothing do and did watch the Singapore GP highlights; and I came away with two thoughts:

How can a race be so reliant on the tyres used. To my way of thinking they should do their job with no influence on the outcome - imagine if the TdF was dictated by tyres!!

Secondly why doesn't the FIA set down minimum standards for the racetrack tar over the entire course; it would make sense if each track had the same, consistent finish. The Premier League manages this with the stadium turf.

Both these would help the races being about drivers and teams skills.

Feel free to tell me I'm talking rubbish, as I'm sure you will^_^.
 

figbat

Slippery scientist
Circuits are scattered all over the world and have to put up with very different conditions; climate, usage etc. Some are street circuits and others are bespoke race tracks. Some are used extensively year-round, others hardly at all outside of the F1 Grand Prix. The surface has to accommodate all uses, so motorcycles, classic vehicles, F1, whatever. There’s no one-size-fits-all surface. Besides, it’s part of what makes for the diversity and distinct character of each circuit.
 

FishFright

More wheels than sense
As someone who gave up on F1 in the 80's; I seldom watch the highlights (although my wife does).

Yesterday, I had nothing do and did watch the Singapore GP highlights; and I came away with two thoughts:

How can a race be so reliant on the tyres used. To my way of thinking they should do their job with no influence on the outcome - imagine if the TdF was dictated by tyres!!

Secondly why doesn't the FIA set down minimum standards for the racetrack tar over the entire course; it would make sense if each track had the same, consistent finish. The Premier League manages this with the stadium turf.

Both these would help the races being about drivers and teams skills.

Feel free to tell me I'm talking rubbish, as I'm sure you will^_^.

Tyres have always been like that , either a tyre war or which teams could manage them the best.

There are many pages of rules about which surfaces are needed for an F1 circuit , also because of the wildly different climatic conditions no single surface material could be made to work everywhere.

Modern F1 cars with their huge downforce throwing gallons of water into the air mean that it's pretty much impossible for them to race in properly wet conditions.
 

Jody

Stubborn git
How can a race be so reliant on the tyres used. To my way of thinking they should do their job with no influence on the outcome - imagine if the TdF was dictated by tyres!!

Yesterdays race was a bit of an oddity as night time plus 88% humidity meant the track didn't dry. A part dry track would rip a new set of inters in no time which is why the teams pushed on very worn (almost slick ) inters, as they had an advantage.
 
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