Misguided Cycling Safety Campaigns

[Alex321]

*Most* injuries are caused by those in motorised vehicles.

Really?

Most serious injuries and deaths, maybe.

But if you count bruises and grazes, then I rather doubt it.

 

[mjr]

Really?

Most serious injuries and deaths, maybe.

But if you count bruises and grazes, then I rather doubt it.

Most reported ones for sure and I suspect it's a close run thing overall, as so few are injured by riding in groups or falling solo.

 

[presta]

Really?

Most serious injuries and deaths, maybe.

But if you count bruises and grazes, then I rather doubt it.

The problem with injuries is that they aren't an accurate metric for measuring risk.
See chapter 5:
http://www.john-adams.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/RISK-BOOK.pdf

 

[Dogtrousers]

2013. Seven killed plus three in the helicopter when it landed on the Clutha Bar in Glasgow after running out of fuel.

How did I miss that? Very lazy reading on my part.

2013 was a very bad year for helicopters in the UK. 8 ground casualties (7 in Glasgow, 1 in London) plus 8 helicopter occcupants (1 in London, 4 Shetland Is., 3 Glasgow) giving a grand total of 16 fatalities from helicopters.

The ground casualty in London was specifically identified as a "pedestrian".

So I take back my scepticism, @MichaelW2

In one year, more pedestrians were killed by falling helicopters than by cyclists.

So it's quite likely that in 2013 more people on the ground* were killed by falling helicopters than by cyclists. I'm sure the 2013 RTA casualty figures are out there somewhere, but I'm not going to spend time searching for them as I strongly doubt they will actually have a category for pedestrians killed by cyclists.

*"Pedestrians" is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

I strongly doubt they will actually have a category for pedestrians killed by cyclists.

Oh it is well documented and it’s mostly 0, with 1 in some years.

 

[presta]

I strongly doubt they will actually have a category for pedestrians killed by cyclists.

 

[Dogtrousers]

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Thanks. Now can you find the figure for the UK 2013 please.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Thanks. Now can you find the figure for the UK 2013 please.

I already know, it’s less than the helicopter figure above.

 

[Dogtrousers]

I already know, it’s less than the helicopter figure above.

Come on - don't leave us in suspense. What was the figure for the UK in 2013? (with a link to source if poss)

This will completely vindicate @MichaelW2 and shame me for being sceptical of his claim.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Come on - don't leave us in suspense. What was the figure for the UK in 2013? (with a link to source if poss)

This will completely vindicate @MichaelW2 and shame me for being sceptical of his claim.

Do it yourself. The data will be found digging through the links here but you need to be at a computer with spreadsheet software to dig in.

https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...icles-and-casualties-tables-for-great-britain

 

[Dogtrousers]

Do it yourself. The data will be found digging through the links here but you need to be at a computer with spreadsheet software to dig in.

https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...icles-and-casualties-tables-for-great-britain

I can't be arsed. Clearing @MichaelW2 's name of the dreadful slur that I made when I doubted him is important to me. But not that important.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

I can't be arsed. Clearing @MichaelW2 's name of the dreadful slur that I made when I doubted him is important to me. But not that important.

The reason I know but am not digging out the source out again. I did it in the pandemic and plotted the data for the last 10 years in Excel. I’m not at my PC right now.

 

[classic33]

I can't be arsed. Clearing @MichaelW2 's name of the dreadful slur that I made when I doubted him is important to me. But not that important.

Six in 2013, the same peak number again in 2019.

 

[Dogtrousers]

Six in 2013, the same peak number again in 2019.

So it was a close run thing, as both causes of death peaked that year. Helos 8, Bikes 6.

 

[matticus]

So it was a close run thing, as both causes of death peaked that year. Helos 8, Bikes 6.

A classic year. Such heady heights may never be reached again. Some say the public are losing interest in the contest, but we'll never forget the Good Ol Days ...