metro article on helmets

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Depends on the nature of the damage. Lots of compression of the foam means energy was absorbed. Split in two with little or no foam compression means a failure to absorb energy. It might still protect from superficial cuts and scrapes.

The simple demonstration is to take a piece of polystyrene foam, lay it on the table and try and crush it. It's quite hard to do. Now pick it up and bend it. It snaps with almost no effort. The difference between the energy involved in a helmet working as its designed to do and breaking.

Where people proudly post photos of their broken helmets as evidence you almost never see any evidence of compression of the foam.

 

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[QUOTE 1778092, member: 45"]Oh, ok. So what you actually said isn't what you meant. Funny, that.
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Well if you don't understand the meaning of idioms that's your problem not mine. But just to help you out, it is safe to go out when its raining cats and dogs and no you won't literally get hit by lots of falling cats and dogs if you do.

Jeez, the lengths you will go to to have a go at my posts is fascinating.

 

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[QUOTE 1778084, member: 45"]Right, let's simplify this.

Johnny steals one banana.

Peter steals one hundred bananas.

Johnny hasn't stolen one hundred bananas.

If I wanted to make it look like Johnny had stolen one hundred bananas I could pair him up with Peter in the hope of confusing things.

You're trying to make Johnny look worse than he is, and I suspect that you don't really grasp how many bananas each has stolen anyway.

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Johnny and Peter both stole bananas is an accurate summary of your example and implies nothing that you are trying to claim it implies.

But as for not knowing how many bananas have been stolen, if we return to helmets I know exactly because I have read the research on it. I doubt you even knew where to look for it before I cited it above. But you love continually asserting that I don't understand things but I can't recall a single instance where you have provided any information beyond the assertion.

 

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[QUOTE 1778112, member: 45"]Yup. My response to your insult.

I'm happy to sit here all day responding to your diversions. All it does is pour water on your credibility (not literally ).

Remember, I've got nothing to lose. You're the one with something to prove. And the more you divert, misunderstand and misrepresent, the less successful you become. If the discussion could only stay legitimate then it might have a place in the main forum rather than being hidden away in this back room for us nutters.[/quote]

So if I'm diverting, misunderstanding and misrepresenting you clearly have a much better knowledge of the subject than I do. So why don't you demonstrate it by providing the evidenced arguments that demonstrates the diversion, misunderstanding and misrepresentation rather than just asserting it is so. Show us the evidence that you have that helmet promotion does not deter cycling or that pedestrians are sufficiently different from cyclists that the statistical comparison of their head injury rates is invalid. All you've done so far is asserted it is "because Mr Paul says so" and made claims to medical experience you appear not to actually have had.

 

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[QUOTE 1777863, member: 45"]It wasn't unanimous, that's just another attempt for you to grab at something to make your statements heavier.[/quote]

12/12 in my anecdotal experience looks like unanimous to me.

What's a TBI unit?

You have worked on a neurosurgery unit for 4 years and don't know the acronym for Traumatic Brain Injury?

I was involved with patients when they were referred to me. If they weren't, I wasn't.

What a wonderfully carefully constructed sentence. Patients are referred to the porters for transporting round the hospital. I really don't care what you actually did on the unit other than if you use your job there to profess expert knowledge on head injury patients, then it is reasonable to ask whether you actually have that expert medical knowledge. Everything you are saying so far says you don't and you weren't involved in the medical care of the patients. [Edit: I guess you could have been one of the physioterrorists et al they were referred to for rehabilitation]

You're making stuff up again. For your sake, you might want to stop it.

It was you that put forward your four years working in a neurosurgery unit as having knowledge of head injury patients that I didn't.

By the way, you also seem unaware in your "medical" career of the data that is actually required to be collected on the care and outcomes.

Hospital Episode Statistics (HES)​

Hospital Episode Statistics (HES) is the national statistical data warehouse for England of the care provided by NHS hospitals and for NHS hospital patients treated elsewhere. HES is the data source for a wide range of healthcare analysis for the NHS, Government and many other organisations and individuals.​

 

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[QUOTE 1778112, member: 45"]
I'm happy to sit here all day responding to your diversions. [/quote]

Come on, with all that time on your hands you must be able to Google at least one piece of evidence to back up your assertions and accusations

 

[Fab Foodie]

[QUOTE 1778094, member: 45"]Not yet. Can we talk about donkeys again though?[/quote]
we should, it would be of as much benifit to the cycle helmet debate ....

 

[Fab Foodie]

[QUOTE 1778253, member: 45"]I wonder if they'd let a donkey in a hospital? If he was really poorly.[/quote]

I think they would, if, like this thread it needed to be put out of its misery ....

 

[Boris Bajic]

There is something of the H Clinton v S Palin about this thread... or (for those with longer memories) Paisley v Adams.

As soon as one speaks, I find myself full of sympathy and admiration for the other.... this state of affairs continuing only until the other opens his or her mouth, when things are reversed.

Ultimately, both seem to deserve the other and if Sartre was right they'd spend twelve eternities on one another's close company.

+1 on putting this thread out of our misery. Huge fun for the reader, but slowly disappearing up its own exit pipe.

 

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[QUOTE 1778185, member: 45"]

Promotion is different. The impact that it has on the number of cyclists differs depending on what is delivered and how.
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And your evidence for that statement is?

 

[Fab Foodie]

+1 on putting this thread out of our misery. Huge fun for the reader,

Not really.

 

[Boris Bajic]

Not really.

But we don't have to read it, do we?

Although my reasons are not based solely on the need for a giggle.

I also really want to drill down into this issue and learn from the experts.

Two birds with one stone for me, then. Entertainment and the chance to learn from the enlightened ones.

 

[Titan yer tummy]

Part 1
Once upon a time there was a neighbourhood called Rotonatta. But instead of people Rotanatta was inhabited by dogs. Rotonatta was a peaceful friendly place and most of the time all the dogs got on quite well together. But there were two sorts of dogs who lived in Rotonatta. There were the ordinary dogs who were friendly cuddly pooches who loved everyone and were always well behaved and didn’t bark and scare people and just enjoyed chewing on the odd bone in a most civilised doggy sort of way. And then there were the feral dogs who, most of the time, were just like the ordinary dogs. The ferals were lead by an alpha feral. There were also sniffer or seeker ferals. The ordinary dogs and the feral dogs chewed bones together and chewed each other’s bones and no one would get too tense about things.

Part 2
The Top Dog or Mayor of Rotonatta is called Sheen. Sheen is an alpha male who, as his name suggests, has a lovely shiny coat and a wet nose. All the dogs in Rotonatta love Sheen and respect him as the top dog. Sheen works very hard to make the dogs of Rotonatta happy.

Now all the ordinary dogs in Rotonatta are aware that amongst all the bones they are given there is one sort which isn’t quite as nice as the rest, however all the ordinary dogs are also aware that this particular sort of bone is very good for them as it keeps them healthy and protects from nasty ailments like brayne-smash and scull-crack which are very unpleasant doggy conditions. All the good dogs are prepared to share out these bones so all the dogs can benefit from the life saving properties of this rather special sort of bone. Because I don’t know the real name of this bone we shall call it helm-bone. When they are given helm-bone all the good dogs get stuck in so they can stay healthy and keep their coats shiny (like Sheen’s coat) and their noses damp (and their brains intact). But here’s a thing. The feral dogs don’t like helm-bones because as I have said before they are not quite as nice as some other sorts of bone. Now you would think that the feral dogs would be quite happy to let all the good normal dogs have their helm-bones. But no, on the contrary the feral dogs are absolutely determined that all the good dogs should be deprived of their life enhancing helm-bones and should be fed tripe instead!

To be continued.

 

[MontyVeda]

it reminds me of when Bambi's mother got shot and Bambi was all alone in the snow


...if only Bambi's mother was wearing a helmet

 

[MontyVeda]

OOh no, you don't think the special helm bone might be donkey do you?

you might be onto something there... evil donkey eating dog bastards... shoot them all!