Low Carb High Fat

[The Jogger]

Well I am now in ketosis , this could be an interesting journey.

 

[brand]

Ingesting carbohydrates automatically stimulates the pancreas to release insulin. Where this causes a particular issue is for those people who are prone to be type-2 diabetics.

Of course a human can survive and thrive perfectly well without any carbs at all.

What a load of rubbish. No one at all is "prone to be type-2 diabetics" some people are more likely to get diabetes if they are eating a poorly balanced diet HIGH in sugar. Humans can do without virtually any fat. Humans in the past some lived on carbs alone. There are humans now in Africa whose diet is Maize......and maize and sod all else. What did British peasant live on in the past? Steak and kidney pie Chips peas and gravy??
What did Irish peasants live on? The latter? Or just boiled potatoes? All these weirdo diets keep coming up. I wonder what wacky diet will be the next flavour of the month. Balanced diet and nothing else? You are welcome to your early heart attack. You have the right to go on daft diet you haven't got the right to encourage others.

 

[brand]

It is insulin spikes that are the problem. Eating processed carbohydrates in large amounts in one sitting. I wonder if that includes beer and cider? I best go find out!

The experiment was inclusive I will have do it again today.

 

[brand]

PS exercise will allow you get away with a poor diet. Exercise will allow you to get away with murder in terms of a poor diet.

 

[Flying Dodo]

What a load of rubbish. No one at all is "prone to be type-2 diabetics" some people are more likely to get diabetes if they are eating a poorly balanced diet HIGH in sugar. Humans can do without virtually any fat. Humans in the past some lived on carbs alone. There are humans now in Africa whose diet is Maize......and maize and sod all else. What did British peasant live on in the past? Steak and kidney pie Chips peas and gravy??
What did Irish peasants live on? The latter? Or just boiled potatoes? All these weirdo diets keep coming up. I wonder what wacky diet will be the next flavour of the month. Balanced diet and nothing else? You are welcome to your early heart attack. You have the right to go on daft diet you haven't got the right to encourage others.

Yes humans can exist purely on carbs. But if you think further back in history to a time before the invention of pie & chips, you'd find humans had to live on fat.

If you bothered to actually do some research instead of spouting out insults, you'll discover that my likelihood of having a having a heart attack on a low carb high fat lifestyle is reduced not increased. Google "Inuit paradox" as your starter for 10.

You're falling into the trap of thinking that fat I ingest is deposited on my arteries. It isn't. And I use the word lifestyle, as I have done previously, because it's not a diet.

 

[400bhp]

Yes humans can exist purely on carbs. But if you think further back in history to a time before the invention of pie & chips, you'd find humans had to live on fat.

If you bothered to actually do some research instead of spouting out insults, you'll discover that my likelihood of having a having a heart attack on a low carb high fat lifestyle is reduced not increased. Google "Inuit paradox" as your starter for 10.

You're falling into the trap of thinking that fat I ingest is deposited on my arteries. It isn't. And I use the word lifestyle, as I have done previously, because it's not a diet.

Life expectancy was c. 40 years a long time ago so I wouldn't be basing much credence on that.

Life expectancy of the inuit population is relatively low. I'd be sceptical of extrapolaing from such findings of that paradox onto overall health.

 

[NotthatJasonKenny]

What a load of rubbish. No one at all is "prone to be type-2 diabetics" some people are more likely to get diabetes if they are eating a poorly balanced diet HIGH in sugar. Humans can do without virtually any fat. Humans in the past some lived on carbs alone. There are humans now in Africa whose diet is Maize......and maize and sod all else. What did British peasant live on in the past? Steak and kidney pie Chips peas and gravy??
What did Irish peasants live on? The latter? Or just boiled potatoes? All these weirdo diets keep coming up. I wonder what wacky diet will be the next flavour of the month. Balanced diet and nothing else? You are welcome to your early heart attack. You have the right to go on daft diet you haven't got the right to encourage others.

Err...wrong.

 

[NotthatJasonKenny]

Read this and then tell me which bits are wrong and what qualifications you have which back up your beliefs.

http://www.health24.com/Diet-and-nutrition/Nutrition-basics/Tim-Noakes-on-carbohydrates-20120721

 

[Flying Dodo]

Life expectancy was c. 40 years a long time ago so I wouldn't be basing much credence on that.

Bit of a vague, sweeping assumption. We now have social mechanisms for looking after the elderly. In fact it's only been in the last 30,000 years or so that longevity has increased significantly, which ties in with a trend for populations to start keeping the elderly in the community, as evidenced by archaeological remains, rather than being nomadic hunter/gathers. Prehistoric humans realised that by looking after their grandparents, they could pass on their knowledge & skills and build on the social cohesion of their settlements. Plus of course in the last few hundred years there's been the enormous improvement in medical care.

Life expectancy of the inuit population is relatively low. I'd be sceptical of extrapolaing from such findings of that paradox onto overall health.

There's only limited data available anyway, as they never used to log dates of birth, and traditionally Inuit would have suffered high mortality due to disease & parasites. Of course many Inuit now don't follow a LCHF lifestyle, due to western influences, and a lot of the difference in rates of mortality is due to smoking and self inflicted injuries.[/QUOTE]

 

[srw]

@Flying Dodo - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_diet#Nutrition) reports that the Inuit diet isn't that low in carbs. Via several references, it has a calorie balance of 50-30-20 fat/carb/protein. That compares with the American recommendation of about 30-50-20 (http://www.livestrong.com/article/388545-macronutrient-ratios-in-a-diet/) - not all that different.

It also reports a similar heart attack likelihood and a higher stroke likelihood to the rest of the population. Basing a modern diet on the historical practices of an isolated group who had a very specific lifestyle and quite possibly had developed a different set of gut flora supporting that lifestyle and diet doesn't seem entirely coherent.

 

[Drago]

Err...wrong.

Indeed he is. There are certain genetic conditions that make people more prone.

 

[Flying Dodo]

You have the right to go on daft diet you haven't got the right to encourage others.

It's rather ironic that you raise the issue of daft diets, when you consider how things change over the years. Consider the humble egg. Fifty years ago, they were deemed to be healthy - "Go to work on an egg". Then around the turn of the century, "evidence" popped up showing they were unhealthy, and raised cholesterol levels. But now they're healthy again and don't raise cholesterol , and so you're encouraged to eat them again.

Another example is the "Five a day" campaign, launched in 2003. Earlier this year, they started back-pedalling on the inclusion of fruit juice, highlighting that you shouldn't drink too much.

So I wouldn't put too much stock in what you're being told is currently healthy.

 

[brand]

Read this and then tell me which bits are wrong and what qualifications you have which back up your beliefs.

http://www.health24.com/Diet-and-nutrition/Nutrition-basics/Tim-Noakes-on-carbohydrates-20120721

There is a vast counter view to yours, made up of the vast majority of doctors. That is the only qualifications I need.
Herbivore
Insectivore
Carnivore
Omnivore
Fatavore .....yeah right
Human = OMNIVORE

 

[Flying Dodo]

@Flying Dodo - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_diet#Nutrition) reports that the Inuit diet isn't that low in carbs. Via several references, it has a calorie balance of 50-30-20 fat/carb/protein. That compares with the American recommendation of about 30-50-20 (http://www.livestrong.com/article/388545-macronutrient-ratios-in-a-diet/) - not all that different.

It also reports a similar heart attack likelihood and a higher stroke likelihood to the rest of the population. Basing a modern diet on the historical practices of an isolated group who had a very specific lifestyle and quite possibly had developed a different set of gut flora supporting that lifestyle and diet doesn't seem entirely coherent.

Too many carbs then!

 

[brand]

It's rather ironic that you raise the issue of daft diets, when you consider how things change over the years. Consider the humble egg. Fifty years ago, they were deemed to be healthy - "Go to work on an egg". Then around the turn of the century, "evidence" popped up showing they were unhealthy, and raised cholesterol levels. But now they're healthy again and don't raise cholesterol , and so you're encouraged to eat them again.

Another example is the "Five a day" campaign, launched in 2003. Earlier this year, they started back-pedalling on the inclusion of fruit juice, highlighting that you shouldn't drink too much.

So I wouldn't put too much stock in what you're being told is currently healthy.

Chickens receive a different diet nowadays and I have never read anything about drinking fruit juice is good for you. It is basically pure sugar (fructose). 5 a day diet advise hasn't changed. Other than to say it could be worth increasing it.