Last night's boxing; Nick Blackwell v. Chris Eubank Jr.

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MarkF

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
I don't think you could say it was over by round four, as Blackwell tagged Eubank with a good shot in round five. Although, having said that, Eubank had distracted himself by baiting someone in Blackwell's corner.

He was out classed and taking far too many head shots, particularly uppercuts, because.........he was out classed. I walked out at Round 4, I didn't need to see what would happen, it was entirely predictable.
 

Joffey

Big Dosser
Location
Yorkshire
I think the theory is that the boxer will hit harder, thinking that the opponent is immune to injury. Or that the boxer will guard less thinking that he is immune to injury

I though it might be that it rattles the brain around more but I'm no expert, you could well be right.
 

screenman

Squire
I always felt that cycle racing was about hurting the others so much that they could not cross the line in front of you.
 

Inertia

I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
I'm against banning boxing as the competitors are not innocent.
So far I don't think anyone on this thread has called for a ban on boxing. They may have voiced their views on it and they may not be positive ones but they are entitled to voice them.
 

albion

Guru
The problem there was that, though outclassed Blackwell was still well alert. Plus the pundits expected him to gain the the second half of the fight.

However, it stayed a total mismatch thoughout.
 

Moon bunny

Judging your grammar
Health & Safety is keeping stupid people alive, polluting the gene pool.

Bullshit.
So it is all right for people to be killed and seriously injured at work, because they were stupid?
OK for parents to go to their childrens' funerals after they were killed playing in parks they stupidly believed were safe?
Perfectly acceptable for people to be poisoned because they were stupid enough to live near a badly run chemical plant?
 
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Dec66

Dec66

A gentlemanly pootler, these days
Location
West Wickham
Cycling's dangers come from things largely outside the sport itself

Well, no. I'd say falling off in a big heap in the peloton and smashing your collarbone, or falling off on a descent and smashing your skull on a telegraph pole, or hitting a motorcycle and dying, are things very much within the sport.

Obviously, there's no intent for these things to happen. There's no intent for people to get seriously injured in boxing, either. And yet, it happens in both.

Ah, but the overt point of boxing is to injure your opponent, one might say. And yet, just as many people get injured in the professional cycling ranks as in professional boxing. So, if this is the case, why are as many people being hurt in the non-contact sport as in the contact one? You could even argue that the latter is actually more dangerous on that basis.

Let's face it; in both, the participants are in no illusion as to the risks involved.
 

Inertia

I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
[QUOTE 4214299, member: 259"]I think describing it as "a foul, shameful, disgusting spectacle masquerading as 'sport'" might be a clue, though.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Well I'm sure she can speak for herself and she may indeed think it should be banned but she didn't call for one.
 
Bullshit.
So it is all right for people to be killed and seriously injured at work, because they were stupid?
OK for parents to go to their childrens' funerals after they were killed playing in parks they stupidly believed were safe?
Perfectly acceptable for people to be poisoned because they were stupid enough to live near a badly run chemical plant?

Fair comment. I forgot the tongue in cheek emoticon.
 
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Dec66

Dec66

A gentlemanly pootler, these days
Location
West Wickham
From what I've read today Snr wasn't aware that he was in trouble and was just talking tactics but who knows.

From The Graun, today;

"Before the fight was stopped, Eubank Sr urged his son to avoid more blows to Blackwell’s head, and to focus instead on his torso.

“If the referee doesn’t stop it, then I don’t know what to tell you, but I will tell you this: one, if he doesn’t stop it and we keep on beating him like this, he is getting hurt; two, if it goes to a decision, why didn’t the referee stop the fight? I don’t get why,” he said. “So maybe you shouldn’t leave it to the referee. So you’re not going to take him out to the face – you’re going to take him out to the body.” "

That was exactly what Channel 5 showed, and what I heard.

Eubank Snr. wanted it stopped for Blackwell's safety.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ing-fight-stopped-three-rounds-earlier-hamlyn
 

Flying_Monkey

Recyclist
Location
Odawa
Obviously, there's no intent for these things to happen.

That's really the important point. I should have been more specific and said that the dangers refered to in the post to which I was responding (drugs etc.).

Yes. It's supposed to hurt not injure. But the intention is to win with strength and skill by hitting.

Sure, it can hurt. But that's not the same as being fairly likely to leave you suffering from long-term brain injuries. Given that I'm an academic and work by using my brain, this is quite a significant difference...
 
That's really the important point. I should have been more specific and said that the dangers refered to in the post to which I was responding (drugs etc.).



Sure, it can hurt. But that's not the same as being fairly likely to leave you suffering from long-term brain injuries. Given that I'm an academic and work by using my brain, this is quite a significant difference...

I was involved on the periphery of some research in the early 1970's

There is a radiopharmaceutical that shows the blood supply to the brain

The research compared the blood supply of boxers to a matched control group

The result showed that even after a few fights boxers had discernible perfusion defects to the brain

i.e. there was permanent damage
 
Sure, it can hurt. But that's not the same as being fairly likely to leave you suffering from long-term brain injuries. Given that I'm an academic and work by using my brain, this is quite a significant difference...
Sort of. Google "taekwondo knockout" (or karate etc) and see people being knocked out (usually unconscious) from a person whose action was to kick another person as hard and technical in the head as possible. Nobody wants to put someone in a coma but this is a kick, at the head with the intention of hurting and can easily result injury. I do believe boxing takes this further but it is very much in the same ballpark.
 
Heard a boxer today mention that head guards in boxing tend to contribute to more head trauma. Not sure how right that is like but I suppose it could rattle the head a bit more. (Should I be posting this in the official helmet debate thread lol)
A boxer interviewed on R4 yesterday said that the vibration from the head guard after it had been struck causes more damage than the blow itself would have.

Boxing bores me to tears, but participation is voluntary so good luck to those who chose to take part. I'm sure those who dedicate their whole lives to reaching the top level and know the risks would not appreciate people having the sport stopped on their behalf.
 
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