La Vuelta 2016 **SPOILERS**

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deptfordmarmoset

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Yes, the invisible man like, Teejay van Who?
Teejay van Gardeningleave?
 

HF2300

Insanity Prawn Boy
Is the covadonga a very consistent gradient? From experience riding by numbers is pretty hard tI when the gradient pitches and steepens.

It's generally fairly sensible on the lower section at around 7% - 9%, though with ramps up to 12% - 14% in places, but then the last 4km gets strange and lumpy with a couple of downhill recovery sections.

Interestingly the point he appeared to be pacing himself and keeping his domestiques to that pace was on the lower, more regular slopes.

If froome was in top form he wouldn't be doing what he's doing.

I don't quite follow what you mean by that, though as you say it's pretty clear he's not generally in top form - he's pretty much said that himself; but I was really just commenting on his Covadonga ride.

I just felt the commentators were quick to say Froome had blown or had a problem half way up Covadonga just because he was off the back of the Movistar group, but it seemed to me there wasn't evidence for that, and it was quite possible (and typical Froome) that he was riding by the numbers and not caring that Movistar were going all out, and into the red, to drop him. He seems to have confirmed that:

Chris Froome said:
I just rode the climb at the best pace I felt was the efficient way to get up there and according to how I thought the legs were feeling ... regardless of what was going on around me. I was just riding at the pace that I felt was most appropriate for a climb, for a 35 minute effort and I could see guys I was going past being blown from the front and they maybe started off a bit fast, so I used my team-mates the best I could and they did a great job today.
 

400bhp

Guru
I don't quite follow what you mean by that, though as you say it's pretty clear he's not generally in top form - he's pretty much said that himself; but I was really just commenting on his Covadonga ride.
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A couple of points on what I meant:
The only other time I've seen him pace like that is on La vuelta in 2014 when he was returning from injury (eventually placed second behind contador). So it would appear he wouldn't choose to do this.

Secondary, it feels more a form of defence than attack. Convention says you ride off the front to win. Furthermore you defend when you're winning.

What I would say is that doing this really affirms his current dominance at the top. His competitors just cannot tell if and when he is beaten.
 

Twizit

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Is the covadonga a very consistent gradient? From experience riding by numbers is pretty hard tI when the gradient pitches and steepens.

If froome was in top form he wouldn't be doing what he's doing.

It's generally fairly sensible on the lower section at around 7% - 9%, though with ramps up to 12% - 14% in ...

I just felt the commentators were quick to say Froome had blown or had a problem half way up Covadonga just because he was off the back of the Movistar group, but it seemed to me there wasn't evidence for that, and it was quite possible (and typical Froome) that he was riding by the numbers and not caring that Movistar were going all out, and into the red, to drop him. He seems to have confirmed that:

I think the live commentary (Eurosport) was a bit mis-leading and they jumped to the conclusion that Froome had blown. The highlights program on ITV4 with Ned and Millar was more instructive and their commentary (presume with some hindsight?) seemed to be more on the ball in that Froome was pacing himself up, knowing that he wasn't in top nick and therefore it was his best chance to limit any losses on this climb. Interviews with other Sky team members post stage seemed to back this up I thought.
 

Andrew_P

In between here and there
I am enjoying this in the 7pm ITV4 HD slot as much if not more than the TdF - sorry no expert punditry from me, just had to say it!
 
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rich p

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Tomorrow's stage again looks like a flattish 160km with a nutjob wall at the end.
This parcours is not entirely to my taste. Are they trying too hard to differentiate it from the TdF?
 
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Spain
Tomorrow's stage again looks like a flattish 160km with a nutjob wall at the end.
This parcours is not entirely to my taste. Are they trying too hard to differentiate it from the TdF?
I don't think so, differentiating it can only be a good thing. Why not have three GTs all suited to slightly different types of rider?
 

deptfordmarmoset

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And on the subject of riding to the numbers ....
Quintana calls for power meters to be banned from racing

'They take away a lot of spectacle and make you race more cautiously,' says Vuelta leader


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/quintana-calls-for-power-meters-to-be-banned-from-racing/
And Froome's ''boring'' racing in the TdF spoilt the whole tour? Don't think so. Quintana was the boring one apart from about 100 metres climbing in one stage - at least I can only remember one attack seriously undertaken by him.
 
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