Kimmage Upsets Team Sky

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We know all this. I'm not sure of your point, really I'm not. I feel like you're trying to teach me to suck eggs when I read your posts. I'd like to respond but I'm not sure whether you're commenting on pro cycling or our understanding of it. Mostly I feel it's the latter, so I don't bother. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It is simple, someone posts a statement, and someone replies.

How you take that is entirely your interpretation
 
It is simple, someone posts a statement, and someone replies.

How you take that is entirely your interpretation
Of course it isn't but you know that, so I'll leave it there.
 
I've had my eye off the ball recently: did Walsh produce a detailed account of his time with Sky yet? I remember seeing a couple of his comments just before a Sunday Times article was to be published but as I'm never going to get behind their paywall I was waiting till someone else covered it. I appear to have missed that.
I was wondering the same and there is a site which has a lot of stuff documented and searchable but I can't recall it. Any idea?
 
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Put yourself in the position of team principal. A journalist who is known to have an agenda to "prove" that anyone who is successful is doing something illegal wants "open access" to your team. Where does the access stop? Is he allowed to call riders late at night, turn up at their homes, be on the team bus any time, ride in a team car when he wants? Does he get access to all the management meetings where contracts and rider futures are discussed? Then be able to write about anything he wants, all to "prove" to his satisfaction that either something is wrong or not?
Would any business let that happen, reporters in the boardroom or around at moments of maximum stress?
Then why on earth should a team principal and the staf be subjected to this from someone who has a reputation for having his own agenda, and trying to dig out "facts" that prove his theories?
This would be no different than letting all the idiots who write comments on cyclingnews (they never say from which country) always accusing winners of doping.
Would any sensible team principal expose the riders and staff to such a disruptive and aggravating presence?
Answers are yes or no.

Well he managed it with Garmin, so all of those problems are solvable. The issue I have with it is that it's fundamentally bad journalism. If you're on the inside, it seems to me inevitable that you undermine the integrity of what you're reporting. I'm surprised that Walsh has gone down this route - he seemed to be doing fine with "proper" journalism.
 
Well he managed it with Garmin, so all of those problems are solvable. The issue I have with it is that it's fundamentally bad journalism. If you're on the inside, it seems to me inevitable that you undermine the integrity of what you're reporting. I'm surprised that Walsh has gone down this route - he seemed to be doing fine with "proper" journalism.

I wondered that. For years he was an outcast within pro-cycling, I thought maybe he was just enjoying being back in the crowd as a normal journalist. I'm prepared to cut him some slack though.
 

deptfordmarmoset

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I was wondering the same and there is a site which has a lot of stuff documented and searchable but I can't recall it. Any idea?
Not me, unfortunately, but I expected to hear some of the fallout and there was either none (i.e. no story) or I simply missed it. I think I've visited the site you're probably thinking about but I was just following a link from on here, probably on the Lance Armstrong thread that reached over 100 pages, and I don't remember which one it was.
 
I'm thinking it goes something like this.
For decades British cyclists were denied their deserved success by cheating Johnny Foreigner and his dope, during which time Paul Kimmage was a lone voice doggedly calling out the scuzzers, a Rosa Parks of cycling journalism, a hero.
Now cycling's clean, British riders are cleaning up because they're inherently more capable, gritty, steely, nuggety, dedicated, strong, redoubtable, courageous, just better - see any one of AiS's 20,000 posts - than Johnnny Foreigner.
Kimmage raising his eyebrows at this strips him of his Rosa Parks status and reveals him to be the David Icke of cycling journalism.
Have I missed anything?
 
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smutchin

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I like Kimmage, I don't like myself for liking him but I like him none-the-less. But he can be a class A doofus. And he is a class A doofus a lot. But I still like him. I dinnae agree with most of what he says nowadays but I am a nobber...

This sums it up for me.

His tireless campaigning seems to have taken its toll on his mental faculties, but he's still on the side of righteousness.
 

Globalti

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Having recently read Walsh's book and Kimmage's a couple of years ago I've formed the opinion that Walsh especially is a paranoid obsessive. Once the subject of obsession is achieved, what do those kinds of people do? They move on to the next, real or imagined.
 

Hont

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I think they both need to sit down with Steve Peters and get their inner chimps under control. I recall a radio interview with Walsh just after the Armstrong USADA decision and his emotions were so out of control he couldn't get the words out quick enough.
 

oldroadman

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I think they both need to sit down with Steve Peters and get their inner chimps under control. I recall a radio interview with Walsh just after the Armstrong USADA decision and his emotions were so out of control he couldn't get the words out quick enough.

Best book I have ever read. The man is brilliant, and if you look at the success he has had with some of the more "fragile" people he has dealt with, no doubting the proof is there. I wonder what he makes of PK - we shall never know. But the word paranoia springs to mind. They are all out to get him! It must be true because David Icke says so.
 
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