Like I said many times, I'll start listening to you when you show any, even vague, interest in the pro cycle racing scene! Until then it's just white noise
Kimmage Upsets Team Sky
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fozy tornip
A usual suspect.
Kimmage has earned the right to say what he likes, in my book.
Thoroughly enjoyed Wiggo's achievements last year; unqualified enjoyment. But should we learn some years hence that Sky's incremental accretion of minor gains - or whatever it's called - was cover for a systematic, subtle program of doping using as yet undetectable performance enhancers, I won't be surprised.
Thoroughly enjoyed Wiggo's achievements last year; unqualified enjoyment. But should we learn some years hence that Sky's incremental accretion of minor gains - or whatever it's called - was cover for a systematic, subtle program of doping using as yet undetectable performance enhancers, I won't be surprised.
albion
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I quite dread to think what are your enemies are like.
Like I said many times, I'll start listening to you when you show any, even vague, interest in the pro cycle racing scene! Until then it's just white noise
At least your inability to consider any opinion or discuss anything outside your own small agenda is consistent.
Their history is a little chequered.
He has on occasion questioned their transparency and compared Wiggins with Armstrong which upset the Sky camp,
He was refused the level of access that he wanted, so was that in a fit of pique, or was there something he was genuinely concerned about?
The problem is knowing which is the case
True, but then my agenda is pro cycling
oldroadman
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Put yourself in the position of team principal. A journalist who is known to have an agenda to "prove" that anyone who is successful is doing something illegal wants "open access" to your team. Where does the access stop? Is he allowed to call riders late at night, turn up at their homes, be on the team bus any time, ride in a team car when he wants? Does he get access to all the management meetings where contracts and rider futures are discussed? Then be able to write about anything he wants, all to "prove" to his satisfaction that either something is wrong or not?
Would any business let that happen, reporters in the boardroom or around at moments of maximum stress?
Then why on earth should a team principal and the staf be subjected to this from someone who has a reputation for having his own agenda, and trying to dig out "facts" that prove his theories?
This would be no different than letting all the idiots who write comments on cyclingnews (they never say from which country) always accusing winners of doping.
Would any sensible team principal expose the riders and staff to such a disruptive and aggravating presence?
Answers are yes or no.
I know, I know - I can only offer my sincere apologies!
True, but then my agenda is pro cycling
That is almost funny!
Therein lies another problem.
When they said no previously he started writing about lack of transparency!
So it is a no-win either way
I disagree, the team set out to win the Tour with a clean rider within 5 years. They have met hat objective. Not one single rider that Sky have signed would not have been aware of that goal, including Cav.
If they are not happy with that, or if they believe they can do better than Froome, if he is indeed the anointed one, they can follow Cav and leave.
DB has nothing to answer at this point. Time will tell if he has made the right decision on Froome, but on form so far this year, it would have been a brave choice to not run with him.
If EBH thinks he isn't progressing, he will leave.
It's not a no win, Sky are absolutely within their right to refuse to give Kimmage totally unhindered access to their team. This wouldn't happen in any sport you care to name.
If this was boxing, he would be asking for the equivalent of between rounds interviews.
This is why he has almost turned the doping story on his head and begun to look a little foolish. The no win situation is what PK has put himself in, not Sky. He is in danger of becoming like the local nut job that everyone wants to avoid on the bus.
I say this within the confines of our current knowledge, whereby we are unaware of any allegations against Sky currently that can pass muster. Time will prove that right or wrong.
So just because your a schizophrenic it doesn't mean they are not out to get you, so maybe if you keep saying that all all cycling is doped there's bound to be one come along and make you look correct eventually.
We know all this. I'm not sure of your point, really I'm not. I feel like you're trying to teach me to suck eggs when I read your posts. I'd like to respond but I'm not sure whether you're commenting on pro cycling or our understanding of it. Mostly I feel it's the latter, so I don't bother. Correct me if I'm wrong.
deptfordmarmoset
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I've had my eye off the ball recently: did Walsh produce a detailed account of his time with Sky yet? I remember seeing a couple of his comments just before a Sunday Times article was to be published but as I'm never going to get behind their paywall I was waiting till someone else covered it. I appear to have missed that.
