Keltbray employ maniacs

[gaz]

[QUOTE 2564192, member: 30090"]That's a fair point.

The point I was making was to do with lane discipline on the approach to the RAB and that you should not have a pop at other road users when you lack poor lane discipline.[/quote]
You're just nitpicking, in reality the decision to use such a lane had nothing to do with the incident that happened on the roundabout.
Going by your lines of attack to others. Show me the relevant piece of statue legislation that states that lane directions must be followed on roundabouts.

 

[stowie]

[QUOTE 2564192, member: 30090"]That's a fair point.

The point I was making was to do with lane discipline on the approach to the RAB and that you should not have a pop at other road users when you lack poor lane discipline.[/quote]


Why not? I have - in the past - contravened the highway code. Does this mean I cannot comment on any other road user? For ever?

Maybe we could extend this principle to other matters of the law.

"He just punched me in the face officer"
"Well, you did get cautioned in 1976 for an unrelated incident, so I don't think you can complain".

Unless you are suggesting that the cyclist being in the wrong lane contributed to the lorry pulling out? Which seems a bit of a stretch considering the lorry was a couple of vehicles back in the queue when the cyclist entered the roundabout.

 

[stowie]

Oh, and another thing. The level of care that should be expected from a HGV driver should be higher than those of cyclists, or indeed pedestrians. Because the driver is bringing danger to other individuals by his activity then it is right that the level of responsibility is higher. Having a lorry disregard the highway code and nearly flatten a cyclist is not equivalent to a cyclist being in the "wrong" lane.

 

[ufkacbln]

Roundabout position keeps changing

I was appalled by a neighbour's daughter. She was a brilliant driver until it came to a roundabout

However when we talked later it transpired that the " correct lane" was neither in the Highway Code or taught

It has now been reinstated, but a lot of people have been taught to use the most convenient lane - whichever that might be

 

[stowie]

[QUOTE 2564242, member: 30090"]You're right, I worded that incorrectly.

It's more to do with be prepared when posting a vid that your cycling is up to scratch because some lamo's will find fault with anything.

And no I'm not and never have suggested that the cyclists postion on the RAB contributed to the truck pulling out - merely his lane discipline on the approach to the RAB.[/quote]


It is possible that someone might try to find equivalence, but I hope the police - or Keltway - wouldn't as it is just trying to deflect responsibility of the driver's actions.

I know this roundabout well (although I don't cycle it), and driving it is pretty horrible - the speeds are too high because the roadway is so wide. Cycling must be really horrible and I wouldn't want to move out past the first lane because you will be certain to get some genius trying to undertake whilst others are overtaking. This road layout is one of many where speed of traffic flow overrides all other considerations, and actually makes the road pretty horrible even for drivers. I think there may be a cycle path that runs under the junction, but not completely sure and, as we all know, the quality of these facilities can be often very lacking.

 

[martint235]

I agree entirely. Also the middle lane is a mixture of traffic going straight on and turning right onto the A2 Dover direction - a 50mph road barred to cyclists.

Is it? I've cycled it a few times. Usually only to the next junction but I've never noticed anything forbidding bikes. I know I can't turn left on to the Blackwall approach obviously.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Is it? I've cycled it a few times. Usually only to the next junction but I've never noticed anything forbidding bikes. I know I can't turn left on to the Blackwall approach obviously.

Oh, good point, Martin. You mean staying on the slip on and slip off slip road, I suppose. I thought the slip roads had the same prohibited users status as the road itself but looking at Google Street view there's no prohibition sign up, unlike at the tunnel approach entrance. That counts as a missed road on my 'ride every road' project...

Otherwise, I'd choose the Shootershillian charms of Hervey Road or Eastbrook Road to get to the other road.

 

[fabregas485]

I hate to get into this, but surely the safer place in the outer lane unless you are doing a suitable speed?

 

[wiggydiggy]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7R6opx0Egs


Not my clip, going round twitter.

Whats happening with this, anything?

 

[martint235]

Oh, good point, Martin. You mean staying on the slip on and slip off slip road, I suppose. I thought the slip roads had the same prohibited users status as the road itself but looking at Google Street view there's no prohibition sign up, unlike at the tunnel approach entrance. That counts as a missed road on my 'ride every road' project...

Otherwise, I'd choose the Shootershillian charms of Hervey Road or Eastbrook Road to get to the other road.

I hadn't realised I wasn't allowed for continue down the A2 to Bexleyhell. I have done in the past

 

[glenn forger]

Whats happening with this, anything?

A senior manager at Keltbray got involved and promised he was taking this seriously.

 

[downfader]

I spoke to the guy who filmed the video on twitter yesterday. He said a senior manager is involved at the haulage company, but he said he didnt feel it right to leave it to an internal investigation and has sent the link/video to London Met Roadsafe. It looks like things will be looked at which is good for them and better for us.

Theres hope yet.

 

[wiggydiggy]

Good result so far if its gone to roadsafe?

I was passed by a tipper truck today and couldnt help but keep looking back until it had passed after reading this and the other tipper threads.

 

[Jezston]

I spoke to the guy who filmed the video on twitter yesterday. He said a senior manager is involved at the haulage company, but he said he didnt feel it right to leave it to an internal investigation and has sent the link/video to London Met Roadsafe. It looks like things will be looked at which is good for them and better for us.

Theres hope yet.

I saw the conversation about them reporting it to roadsafe - does roadsafe ever go futher than the driver just getting an arsey letter though?

Would it not have been better to report the incident directly to the police?

 

[downfader]

I saw the conversation about them reporting it to roadsafe - does roadsafe ever go futher than the driver just getting an arsey letter though?

Would it not have been better to report the incident directly to the police?

IIRC they will refer if they feel its that serious.