subaqua
What’s the point
- Location
- Leytonstone
does the MD know whats going on or is he cosseted? we shall hopefully find out.
Keltbray employ maniacs
- Thread starter glenn forger
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mark st1
Plastic Manc
- Location
- Leafy Berkshire
Dont know if anyone can put all this together for you ?
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
[QUOTE 2562383, member: 30090"]You're in the wrong lane, glass houses and all that.[/quote]
Wrong lane, care to clarify that. Considering that lane directions are only advisory, is there a right or wrong lane?
Wrong lane, care to clarify that. Considering that lane directions are only advisory, is there a right or wrong lane?
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
[QUOTE 2563532, member: 30090"]Why would you need clarification? It's in the vid.[/quote]
As others have pointed out and as I pointed out. There isn't such thing as the wrong lane in this case. Lane directions are advisory. The cyclist being in a different lane at that sort of speed would have been more dangerous than sticking to a position around the outside of the roundabout and such directions are stated in the highway code, for both cyclists and for drivers.
Trying to lump any blame what so ever on the cyclist in this case just tells us what kind of a person you are.
As others have pointed out and as I pointed out. There isn't such thing as the wrong lane in this case. Lane directions are advisory. The cyclist being in a different lane at that sort of speed would have been more dangerous than sticking to a position around the outside of the roundabout and such directions are stated in the highway code, for both cyclists and for drivers.
Trying to lump any blame what so ever on the cyclist in this case just tells us what kind of a person you are.
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
[QUOTE 2562383, member: 30090"]You're in the wrong lane, glass houses and all that.[/quote]
Let's get your position clear. In the narrowly avoided collision in that video:
GC
Let's get your position clear. In the narrowly avoided collision in that video:
a) what did the cyclist do wrong?
b) what did the lorry driver do wrong?
GC
GrasB
Veteran
- Location
- Nr Cambridge
Be in the wrong place at the wrong time
Show absolutely no regard for another road user when going against lane priority
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
[QUOTE 2563832, member: 30090"]
a) On the RAB nothing,but on the approach to the RAB they were in the wrong lane for the direction that they would be taking on the RAB
b) Failed to give priority, but having said that there is no statue law that says the driver done anything wrong in this context.[/quote]
The upshot is that the driver was in the wrong, the cyclist wasn't. Anything else is bluster.
GC
a) On the RAB nothing,
b) Failed to give priority,
The qualifications you've added to your answers are irrelevant so I have scored them out;
a) because cyclist is entitled to enter the roundabout as he did and maintain the lane choice he took, as specifically allowed for in the HC (Rule 187).
b) because it's a stupid response that does not relieve the driver of any liability:
"Although failure to comply with the other rules of The Highway Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts (see The road user and the law) to establish liability. This includes rules which use advisory wording such as ‘should/should not’ or ‘do/do not’."
The upshot is that the driver was in the wrong, the cyclist wasn't. Anything else is bluster.
GC
[QUOTE 2563834, member: 30090"]Can you point me to the relevant piece of statue legislation that says this please, many thanks.[/quote]
If you have to ask that question you are not safe on a bike. And if you drive god help us all ...
Please don't pedant your way out by quoting instances where you should be obeying a Give Way/Stop/Traffic Light that takes precedence over RAB rules. Indeed please stop bringing in utter irrelevances to the situation here. You are making yourself look not so much silly rather as more of a maniac.
If you have to ask that question you are not safe on a bike. And if you drive god help us all ...
Please don't pedant your way out by quoting instances where you should be obeying a Give Way/Stop/Traffic Light that takes precedence over RAB rules. Indeed please stop bringing in utter irrelevances to the situation here. You are making yourself look not so much silly rather as more of a maniac.
deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
Oh FFS! 185 refers to the approach.
HLaB
Marie Attoinette Fan
I must admit on paper I would prefer to be the central marked straight ahead lane however conditions on the site may dictate otherwise. Entry to the rbt however, is irrelevant on an Exit at the far side of the rbt, its still an extremely dodgy (potentially fatal) manouvre by the tipper truck.
Edit: I can bold too
Edit: I can bold too
deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
And just below the bit you put into bold...
- adjust your speed and position to fit in with traffic conditions
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
[QUOTE 2563917, member: 30090"]Sorry, but a couple of things:
1) I'm not disputing that the lorry driver did not give priority, merely asking if there is a relevant piece of statue legislation that says you must give priority to traffic approaching from the right, so I'm unsure of the relevance of the rule that you have quoted.
[/quote]
The relevance is clear.
Do you dispute that the general rule governing the behaviour of traffic at roundabouts is that drivers should give way to any traffic on their immediate right unless road markings indicate otherwise?
GC
1) I'm not disputing that the lorry driver did not give priority, merely asking if there is a relevant piece of statue legislation that says you must give priority to traffic approaching from the right, so I'm unsure of the relevance of the rule that you have quoted.
[/quote]
The relevance is clear.
Do you dispute that the general rule governing the behaviour of traffic at roundabouts is that drivers should give way to any traffic on their immediate right unless road markings indicate otherwise?
GC
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
[QUOTE 2563824, member: 30090"]Where have I tried to ''lump any blame on the cyclist?''[/quote]
Your original glass houses comment. In which you are suggesting that if you ride in such a way, you are asking for trouble.
Now you might not think you are suggesting such, but perhaps you should think about how something has been phrased before you post it, as I'm not the only one which believes such.
Your original glass houses comment. In which you are suggesting that if you ride in such a way, you are asking for trouble.
Now you might not think you are suggesting such, but perhaps you should think about how something has been phrased before you post it, as I'm not the only one which believes such.
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
[QUOTE 2563917, member: 30090"]Sorry, but a couple of things:
1) I'm not disputing that the lorry driver did not give priority, merely asking if there is a relevant piece of statue legislation that says you must give priority to traffic approaching from the right, so I'm unsure of the relevance of the rule that you have quoted.
2) Just to reiterate, the only thing I have questioned is that the cyclist was in the wrong approach lane and here is my cut n paste of the HC to back his up.
4. Roundabouts (184 to 190)
184
On approaching a roundabout take notice and act on all the information available to you, including traffic signs, traffic lights and lane markings which direct you into the correct lane. You should
77
You may feel safer walking your cycle round on the pavement or verge. If you decide to ride round keeping to the left-hand lane you should
As I also said before, Lane directions are advisory. So getting in the correct lane is a bit of a none issue. And really, it doesn't effect the outcome of the incident at hand.
1) I'm not disputing that the lorry driver did not give priority, merely asking if there is a relevant piece of statue legislation that says you must give priority to traffic approaching from the right, so I'm unsure of the relevance of the rule that you have quoted.
2) Just to reiterate, the only thing I have questioned is that the cyclist was in the wrong approach lane and here is my cut n paste of the HC to back his up.
4. Roundabouts (184 to 190)
184
On approaching a roundabout take notice and act on all the information available to you, including traffic signs, traffic lights and lane markings which direct you into the correct lane. You should
- use Mirrors – Signal – Manoeuvre at all stages
- decide as early as possible which exit you need to take
- give an appropriate signal (see Rule 186, below). Time your signals so as not to confuse other road users
- get into the correct lane
- adjust your speed and position to fit in with traffic conditions
- be aware of the speed and position of all the road users around you.
77
You may feel safer walking your cycle round on the pavement or verge. If you decide to ride round keeping to the left-hand lane you should
- be aware that drivers may not easily see you
- take extra care when cycling across exits. You may need to signal right to show you are not leaving the roundabout
- watch out for vehicles crossing your path to leave or join the roundabout.
As I also said before, Lane directions are advisory. So getting in the correct lane is a bit of a none issue. And really, it doesn't effect the outcome of the incident at hand.